GTX 780 Ti Specifications Leaked – Full Blown Gk110 Core with 2880 SP

[Jakus]

I was actually hoping to find out what he meant because i don't have a complete grasp on SLi and i thought i was trying to raise a valid point.
But the norm in OcUK Graphics, things got out of hand

Put simply, 2 GFX cards work together, the first one renders a frame (or part of it) then the second card renders the other frame or part.
Essentially like 2 people digging a hole with shovels, they cant shift more than a shovel full each but they can shift theoretically twice as much working together

If you consider the memory as the shovels, they are not combined so you can only ever shift as much a 1 shovel can hold at a time as only one can be in the hole at a time.

So basically 2 GFX cards could run higher resolutions and AA etc because you are doubling the frame speed but that territory could be limited by the memory.

 

[dmferrett]

Its obvious now just how much NV clearly had up their sleeve to use to counter this gen from AMD. After all the 780 is really just the true 680!


780's down to a more realistic £400 price point
780 GHz edition to challenge the 290x for around £500
780Ti to get back the crown £550+

Offering a complete blanket counter attack to the 290x's at £430+

I'm not generally a fan of Nvidia (Price fixing and poor value imo)

Please recall that a reference 290x can beat a 780 and match a Titan with a crappy oem centrifugal fan, so What will happen when the aftermarket companies add decent coolers and volt mods arrive...

Here's my best estimate,

Recall from recent reviews that the 290x scales linear with an increase in volts to 1200Mhz with the standard rubbish cooler (only for a short time currently because it hits 94 oC).

So if the chip can be cooled effectively will it reach 1250Mhz or even 1300Mhz.........................

On a 512bit bus and circa 6000-7000Mhz memory will these be a better choice???


We'll have to wait and see...........

 

[Yaayuh!]

Put simply, 2 GFX cards work together, the first one renders a frame (or part of it) then the second card renders the other frame or part.
Essentially like 2 people digging a hole with shovels, they cant shift more than a shovel full each but they can shift theoretically twice as much working together

If you consider the memory as the shovels, they are not combined so you can only ever shift as much a 1 shovel can hold at a time as only one can be in the hole at a time.

So basically 2 GFX cards could run higher resolutions and AA etc because you are doubling the frame speed but that territory could be limited by the memory.

That's but i know the basics, and pretty much what i posted before about difference ways SLi works Just wanted to know what VET was getting at.

Hadn't actually read all of what was said back there until now people had posted in reply.

I don't know what you're trying to say, can you elaborate?
Check this and tell me if you really mean "the core will run out first as its mirrored in the same way as the Vram" : http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/391

 

[straxusii]

Please recall that a reference 290x can beat a 780 and match a Titan with a crappy oem centrifugal fan, so What will happen when the aftermarket companies add decent coolers and volt mods arrive...

My 780 is beating overclocked titans in the heaven benches, I don't think the 290 has the headroom the 780 does. With both overclocked I don't think there is much between them and the 780s are much cheaper than the 290x.

 

[Silent_Scone]

I'm not generally a fan of Nvidia (Price fixing and poor value imo)

Please recall that a reference 290x can beat a 780 and match a Titan with a crappy oem centrifugal fan, so What will happen when the aftermarket companies add decent coolers and volt mods arrive...

Here's my best estimate,

Recall from recent reviews that the 290x scales linear with an increase in volts to 1200Mhz with the standard rubbish cooler (only for a short time currently because it hits 94 oC).

So if the chip can be cooled effectively will it reach 1250Mhz or even 1300Mhz.........................

On a 512bit bus and circa 6000-7000Mhz memory will these be a better choice???


We'll have to wait and see...........

Yes. The 290X is a stonker of a card, come January with better options available, unless you're inclined to stay on-board for PhysX, G-Sync and other Nvidia based propitiatory stuff there is no real reason why Hawaii isn't the clear winner. It's just a bit of a shame they didn't revise the reference cooler to give the card a better start in life.

My 780 is beating overclocked titans in the heaven benches, I don't think the 290 has the headroom the 780 does. With both overclocked I don't think there is much between them and the 780s are much cheaper than the 290x.

The 290 has way more headroom. Heat is the only thing holding it back and that's no problem for any enthusiast to overcome.

 

[dmferrett]

My 780 is beating overclocked titans in the heaven benches, I don't think the 290 has the headroom the 780 does. With both overclocked I don't think there is much between them and the 780s are much cheaper than the 290x.

Not much cheaper, 780's are 40 pounds cheaper at the moment thats true. But surely for multiscreen high res a 512 bits bus and 4Gb of vram is a better overall solution for gaming, medium term.

Virtually all AMD high end chips overclock like crazy, I wouldn't think this is going to be any different. (Reference cooler might restrict performance of first tranche) Does the 290x get the 3 free games yet?

 

[Admiral Huddy]

As always, please keep this thread on topic. Any further deleted comments will come with a suspension.

 

[straxusii]

The 290 has way more headroom. Heat is the only thing holding it back and that's no problem for any enthusiast to overcome.

I guess time will tell with the OCUK member results, don't get me wrong it's a really nice card and damn shame it came with a crippled stock cooler.

Given the price you can get 780s for though it is in no way the clear choice for the price point.

 

[MooMoo444]

If I was W/C it I would go for R290X, it's got awesome performance for the price.

 

[straxusii]

Not much cheaper, 780's are 40 pounds cheaper at the moment thats true. But surely for multiscreen high res a 512 bits bus and 4Gb of vram is a better overall solution for gaming, medium term.

Heh funnily enough as I wrote I though about the accuracy of the descriptive terms we use on OCUK. Yes so the fact is it is £390 now for a 780 with a customer cooler and £430 for an out of stock 290x stock cooler. Once those £430 290x come into stock I suspect they will be higher in price.

Not sure the 512bit bus is relevant to high end gaming on its own, isn't it the combination of bus size and speed that are relevant so total GB of textures shifted per second?

Virtually all AMD high end chips overclock like crazy, I wouldn't think this is going to be any different. (Reference cooler might restrict performance of first tranche) Does the 290x get the 3 free games yet?

Must admit my gut feeling at the moment says the 290X won't be following them, but as said we will see when members get their hands on proper cooling for the card.

 

[dmferrett]

I guess time will tell with the OCUK member results, don't get me wrong it's a really nice card and damn shame it came with a crippled stock cooler.

Given the price you can get 780s for though it is in no way the clear choice for the price point.

I actually think AMD are doing an "nvidia" and nerfing the 290x reference card (installing a pretty poor cooler) and pricing in line with the 780's to force a reaction from nVidia. Which has hence succeeded. Nvidia has dropped prices on 780's and will release the 780ti. AMD will respond with a drop in price and release non nerfed 290x's which will be circa 10-15% better in performance (i.e. Ghz edtions et al) and the gpu wars will begin......Customers will be the winners, one hopes at least.......

The bus bandwidth is important for high res textures and obviously 512 bits is very high, the 290x stream processors and extra rops will help enormously.........

 

[Rusty0611]

I actually think AMD are doing an "nvidia" and nerfing the 290x reference card (installing a pretty poor cooler) and pricing in line with the 780's to force a reaction from nVidia. Which has hence succeeded. Nvidia has dropped prices on 780's and will release the 780ti. AMD will respond with a drop in price and release non nerfed 290x's which will be circa 10-15% better in performance (i.e. Ghz edtions et al) and the gpu wars will begin......Customers will be the winners, one hopes at least.......

The 7970 was always really underclocked at launch compared to what it could do so there was genuine scope to re-release with higher clocks. I don't think you can say the same about the 290X. At least not to the same degree. Its overclocking headroom looks normal.

 

[dmferrett]

The 7970 was always really underclocked at launch compared to what it could do so there was genuine scope to re-release with higher clocks. I don't think you can say the same about the 290X. At least not to the same degree. Its overclocking headroom looks normal.

Sorry but since when has any 7970 run at a base clock reached a temperature in game of 94oC....

Guess...

Ghx Edition 7970's reach 65oC!!!!

Why is the 290x 94oC operationally....

 

[dmferrett]

I think AMD are using heat as a governor.................

In anticipation of the aftermarket vendors using better cooling..

They only had to match or beat 780's/Titans why add extra performance and cost by using a better cooler, when others will optimise card and board..........

 

[Rusty0611]

Sorry but since when has any 7970 run at a base clock reached a temperature in game of 94oC....

Guess...

Ghx Edition 7970's reach 65oC!!!!

Why is the 290x 94oC operationally....

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Anyway to answer your question, I was talking of the overclocking headroom independent of heat. It doesn't have the same levels in the tank the 7970 had prior to the 7970 GE making (IMO) a 290X upgrade extremely unlikely other than the usual custom cooled models with factory overclocks.

 

[LtMatt]

For what its worth my 7970 reference got up to around 85c at stock clocks on auto fan. This was 1010/1375 with a stock voltage of 1.112v. It probably would have gone higher if i didn't ditch auto fan as well. Thracks told me 7970's were fine up to 90c at stock.

 

[meldarthx]

Fram the last page: All that anger and to be wrong

If these specs are true, it does make a mockery of the Titan's price and spiel (not that I care) but it would have been better to have all 15 SMX units working and 6 GB and everything else on 28nm to be under the Titan... Maybe I am just sour grapes because something will be out that is faster than a Titan

didn't you have them with the 290X?

 

[dmferrett]

For what its worth my 7970 reference got up to around 85c at stock clocks on auto fan. This was 1010/1375 with a stock voltage of 1.112v. It probably would have gone higher if i didn't ditch auto fan as well. Thracks told me 7970's were fine up to 90c at stock.

Matt, thats very hot for stock. In comparison to my 1200Mhz 7950 hitting 79oC with fans on full. At 900Mhz base clock its 50oC.


My point here is that if they reduce thermal saturation by 20oC-30oC the gpu core clock speed upside is going to help the 290x produce significant performance increases over reference.

In my mind why would AMD release the card in a state where heat soak and overclockability are nerfed...........Its got to be part of a wider strategy IMO.

 

[dmferrett]

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lol, yeah the mods on here rule with an iron fist...........

 

[TheRealDeal]

Matt, thats very hot for stock. In comparison to my 1200Mhz 7950 hitting 79oC with fans on full. At 900Mhz base clock its 50oC.


My point here is that if they reduce thermal saturation by 20oC-30oC the gpu core clock speed upside is going to help the 290x produce significant performance increases over reference.

In my mind why would AMD release the card in a state where heat soak and overclockability are nerfed...........Its got to be part of a wider strategy IMO.

It's nerfed as r10 Zeus needs to look even better Joking obviously.