Gun crime in the UK - law and controls

Great stuff, my gun IQ is increasing.

I would like to own a gun, I could protect my home, family from ne'er do-wells. I agree with training and safe storage.............

Contradiction of statements I'm afraid. Also in one statement you have clearly demonstrated you are exactly the kind of person who should never own a firearm.

I hope to god you are trolling and not being serious
 
Have been reading today and we have some really strict gun control laws, same as Australia.

The UK killed off sporting pistols. Yet violent gun crime has gone up in the UK - perhaps by disarming the general public.

Handguns > shotguns > air rifles > other guns - are used by the criminal fraternity.

I am ambivalent about tightening or relaxing the gun control laws. If I lived in the states I think I would consider owning a gun to protect my family. Self-defence.
 
Those that think they can just get them on the dark web are probably going to get either found out quickly or setup.

Depends on the purpose for obtaining a gun - being careful what I say as I don't want to facilitate anything - you definitely don't need to go to the "dark web" to obtain a firearm if you are dead set on doing something extreme (via obtaining online).
 
Are there publicly accessible statistics on the ethnicity of those committing gun crimes in the UK? Is a suicide by shooting oneself wit a legally held gun classed as a gun crime? Just curious, as I have seen neither mentioned in a casual read through this thread.
 
A gun has a useful safe purpose in which the owner can use it for target shooting to provide him/her with hours of fun relating to their hobby.

If you want to go target shooting then a single shot rifle is ideal. A pistol is a poor tool for that, the whole point of them is that they're small and easy to carry/conceal.
 
Are there publicly accessible statistics on the ethnicity of those committing gun crimes in the UK? Is a suicide by shooting oneself wit a legally held gun classed as a gun crime? Just curious, as I have seen neither mentioned in a casual read through this thread.

Given that the Government treats people who crash their vehicles and kill themselves while drunk as "DUI Casualties" it probably is.

(AIUI, The above scenario accounts for around 2/3 of "DUI Casualties" this is important because what it means is that, at least as far as the wider population is concerned, DUI is actually a lot less dangerous than it is made out to be)
 
Surely an actual firearm would be quite high on said list?
Not mine.
If I were to go nutty and start killing people, I'd want a more visceral experience. Chances are I'd be raging, like MD in Falling Down, so I'd want the satisfaction of feeling the life leave the people I feel so justified in killing. Knives, sticks, hammers, power tools, whatever lets me feel the "delivery of ultimate judgement" upon these undeserving/unbelieving/infidel/Brony/non-weirdo/whatever-crazy-cause-I'm-on sorts of people.

That, plus firearms bore me in general. I've shot a fair few calibres and types in my time and I just lost interest, really. I'd still love to own some and I have a respectably long 'dream list', but I have no major interest in actually firing most of them.

I wonder how many deacts are used in crime - I suspect quite a few as they are easy to get hold of.
Depends - Proof House standard deacts, virtually none.
Dodgy imported deacts that are easily reactivated, more likely but getting rarer.

I'd say it's the same as using 100% accurate replica movie firearms, mostly for the same reason - An M41-A Pulse Rifle will cost you a good £2500. A deact WW2 BAR will cost you about the same.
A cap gun painted black will cost you perhaps £15.
A dodgy-deal pistol of reasonably reliable operation will cost perhaps £3-500.
You could even make something for about £50.

Which are you likely to get and use?
 
You really think banning sporting pistols has increased the amount of violent gun crime? :confused:

You're right that was not very clear Prof Dunks, apologies, let me qualify what I read:

There was a paper by a Canadian Professor, suggests that our austere gun laws may have contributed to an increase in violent crime by disarming the general public.

Not sure I am in full agreement.

Page 3, under heading 'Britain'.
http://www.gunsandcrime.org/faildxprmt.pdf

Data on gun crime is fraught with problems, if you are robbed at gun point how do the police know if it was a replica, a decommissioned BAR, pointy fingers in their coat pocket or a Glock?

Surprised no one has mentioned 3D printed guns on this forum? Will your uber PC geek be printing off their favourite Call Of Duty gun?

Mine is a P90.
 
You're right that was not very clear Prof Dunks, apologies, let me qualify what I read:

There was a paper by a Canadian Professor, suggests that our austere gun laws may have contributed to an increase in violent crime by disarming the general public.

Not sure I am in full agreement.

Page 3, under heading 'Britain'.
http://www.gunsandcrime.org/faildxprmt.pdf

Data on gun crime is fraught with problems, if you are robbed at gun point how do the police know if it was a replica, a decommissioned BAR, pointy fingers in their coat pocket or a Glock?

Surprised no one has mentioned 3D printed guns on this forum? Will your uber PC geek be printing off their favourite Call Of Duty gun?

Mine is a P90.

Absolute nonsense.

The U.S.A. is ranked 3rd out of 45 developed nations in regards to the incidence of homicides committed with a firearm

In 2013 the United States' firearm-related death rate was 10.64 deaths for every 100,000

By comparison Australia, which imposed sweeping gun control laws in response to the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, has a firearm death rate of 0.86 per 100,000, and in the United Kingdom the rate is 0.26.
 
He talks about gun control, says that he agrees with current policy, then also says he needs a shotgun for 'self defence'.

He went beyond being taken seriously a while ago.

Oh really, did I say that? You sure?

I bet you were a sniper on Call Of Duty Boycey. :D 50 cal for you! Bloody campers.


The issues here is with 3D printing - gun controls are obsolete. It would be the access to ammunition that would be critical.

How easy it is to access ammunition?
 
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