Halal, is it meat you're looking for?

Haggisman · 8 May 2014 at 16:36

balky12 said:
Halal meat or not, it doesn't really bother me.

I can see why people complain. I don't see the difficulty in labelling these things to make evrything crystal. I can also see why people would complain if a restaurant only served halal meat, guess it's all about having options.

The problem with labelling with EVERYTHING, is at what point do you stop?

What factors do you not label?

What if I want to know what time of day my meat was killed because I believe it tastes better early in the morning?

What if I want to know what was playing on the radio because I like my chicken with a hint of Mozart?

The method of killing I can agree with, i.e. whether it was stunned or not, because it actually affects the welfare of the animal, but unless you believe in the religion, what effect does having a prayer said over the animals death actually have on anything at all?

Delvis · 8 May 2014 at 16:37

From what I can remember a lot of abattoirs in the UK stun and slit the throat of most of their meat, which is basically Halal minus the prayer?

So all the Halal haters, do shut up, the only difference is the fact the meat has had a prayer said to it.

balky12 · 8 May 2014 at 16:37

TwsT said:
To quote Russell Brand on the subject.

If you have an issue with how your animals are treated and killed perhaps you should become a vegetarian instead of a racist.

It's a shame Russell brand said that

While I think he is funny. When it comes to politics / social agendas, he is a little out of his depth. He raises awareness of key points amazingly well, and gets people thinking, but when it comes to answers he falls short. IMO

TwsT · 8 May 2014 at 16:37

Burnsy2023 said:
That's my stance. Let consumers decide what they wish to eat.

YUP agreed entirely

Many places have been halal for a long time and would answer the question if asked.

Perhaps you should all go check your local kebab house and curry houses.

Tinders · 8 May 2014 at 16:38

badcompany said:
Was on radio 2 today apparently sikhs can't eat religiously blessed meat. So it's not fair on that minority?

Can anyone confirm?

'Proper' Sikhs shouldnt be eating meat anyway.

Spitfir3 · 8 May 2014 at 16:38

Haggisman said:
The problem with labelling with EVERYTHING, is at what point do you stop?

What factors do you not label?

What if I want to know what time of day my meat was killed because I believe it tastes better early in the morning?

What if I want to know what was playing on the radio because I like my chicken with a hint of Mozart?

The method of killing I can agree with, i.e. whether it was stunned or not, because it actually affects the welfare of the animal, but unless you believe in the religion, what effect does having a prayer said over the animals death actually have on anything at all?

Wat

badcompany · 8 May 2014 at 16:38

Best thread title ever a*

TwsT · 8 May 2014 at 16:39

balky12 said:
It's a shame Russell brand said that

While I think he is funny. When it comes to politics / social agendas, he is a little out of his depth. He raises awareness of key points amazingly well, and gets people thinking, but when it comes to answers he falls short. IMO

it's an interesting youtube clip but i can't link it.

Delvis · 8 May 2014 at 16:39

Sliver said:
Almost sums it up. However, as a consumer, if like me you don't want to eat Halal,

Why do you 'not want to eat Halal meat'. ?

badcompany · 8 May 2014 at 16:40

Delvis said:
From what I can remember a lot of abattoirs in the UK stun and slit the throat of most of their meat, which is basically Halal minus the prayer?

So all the Halal haters, do shut up, the only difference is the fact the meat has had a prayer said to it.

Which I do not find acceptable tbh.

Fenris · 8 May 2014 at 16:40

Glaucus said:
Not all animals are stunned, this is the biggest issue. It needs to be clear whether the animals are stunned or not.

This is really my only issue with it, I would eat Halal meat without an issue if it was guaranteed (to the same degree as regular slaughter) that it was stunned.

Glaucus · 8 May 2014 at 16:40

tom_e said:
Either way it clearly states Muslims are a religious group, not a race as you have stated.

now read the posts that cover this point. What ethnaticity are the vast majority of Muslims?
What are most people complaining worried about, are they just focusing on religion? Nope. Its immigration and other things. It is clearly racially motivated for the vast majority of such people and not religious motivation.

There fore what I said was perfectly reasonable and what you said wasn't.

Delvis · 8 May 2014 at 16:40

badcompany said:
Which I do not find acceptable tbh.

What do you not find acceptable?

Glaucus · 8 May 2014 at 16:41

Fenris said:
This is really my only issue with it, I would eat Halal meat without an issue if it was guaranteed (to the same degree as regular slaughter) that it was stunned.

And if I had the choice I would try and buy stuff that wasn't sliced with a beating heart and just killed instantly. As the tests show the same quantity of blood drains out, there is no reason to slice with the heart beating. Which means you can just use humane gassing. And no pain is felt at any stage. And the 5-10% of stunning that go wrong, wont occur.

balky12 · 8 May 2014 at 16:41

Haggisman said:
The problem with labelling with EVERYTHING, is at what point do you stop?

What factors do you not label?

What if I want to know what time of day my meat was killed because I believe it tastes better early in the morning?

What if I want to know what was playing on the radio because I like my chicken with a hint of Mozart?

The method of killing I can agree with, i.e. whether it was stunned or not, because it actually affects the welfare of the animal, but unless you believe in the religion, what effect does having a prayer said over the animals death actually have on anything at all?

I completely agree with you... it can get absurd.

But we live in a world where we have to label a pack of peanuts now with 'may contain nuts' out of fear of getting sued.

This stretches to good old health and saftey to. Labelling lawn mowers with 'do not touch blades whilst on'

Common sense these days is infact uncommon.

Spitfir3 · 8 May 2014 at 16:42

Tinders said:
Considering many Hindu's and Sikhs are veggies, you will find the vast majority of indian restaurants being owned by Bangladeshi's and Pakistanis. Most of the public who is in uproar about Halal wouldnt be able to tell the difference between a curry house or a indian restaurant. Yes there are indian restaurants run by Hindu's and Sikhs, but they are far from the majority.

Actually it's believed that the majority of the population of India are not vegetarian. My hindu friend's out there at the moment and he doesn't exactly struggle to find meat in Mumbai.

Schlong&Stable · 8 May 2014 at 16:42

Haggisman said:
The problem with labelling with EVERYTHING, is at what point do you stop?

What factors do you not label?

What if I want to know what time of day my meat was killed because I believe it tastes better early in the morning?

What if I want to know what was playing on the radio because I like my chicken with a hint of Mozart?

The method of killing I can agree with, i.e. whether it was stunned or not, because it actually affects the welfare of the animal, but unless you believe in the religion, what effect does having a prayer said over the animals death actually have on anything at all?

If there is popular support for a label showing the time of day it was slaughtered, why not add one? I doubt most people care about that detail though.

And the reason it affects me (despite not being religious) is because it's the slow normalisation of Islamic customs in the UK cultural sphere. I don't want halal to be the norm any more than I want veils to be the norm.

If you don't resist these changes, we'll end up sleep walking into a very different Britain.

tom_e · 8 May 2014 at 16:43

I think the major problem here is if it is slaughtered in the true sense of halal which seems to mean it has it's throat slit without being stunned first while being blessed or if it is slaughtered in the more modern sense which means it is stunned and the only difference is it being blessed.

Personally talk to my dying meat all you like I'm not a Muslim therefore it means nothing to me it's only words, but start killing without stunning and therefore possibly causing unnecessary distress and it becomes a bit of a different matter.

The Dread Pirate · 8 May 2014 at 16:43

Tinders said:
Considering many Hindu's and Sikhs are veggies, you will find the vast majority of indian restaurants being owned by Bangladeshi's and Pakistanis. Most of the public who is in uproar about Halal wouldnt be able to tell the difference between a curry house or a indian restaurant. Yes there are indian restaurants run by Hindu's and Sikhs, but they are far from the majority.

Can you actually call those Indian restaurants then I'm pretty sure that's false advertising and thus makes them legally speaking vulnerable!

balky12 · 8 May 2014 at 16:43

TwsT said:
it's an interesting youtube clip but i can't link it.

Yes some of his stuff I have seen is very thought provoking and does make you aware. He is very intelligent and comes across extremely well. But then, just as you expect him to come up with an answer, a plan, an alternative or whatever, he falls short. Frustrating at times!