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Malevolence said:
A while back, BBC had a premier league fixture betwixt Man City and somebody and the commentators were banging on about how football should do more to encourage blacks and ethnics into the game. Couldn't help but laugh at the ridiculousness of it all, because I couldn't help noticing that a good 90% of the players on the pitch were either black or ethnic.
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I think the suggestion was the backroom staff, the coaches, physios and board members because most of those are white.

Also, how many Indian or Pakistani players are there? Hardly any, even when you go down the leagues. There's the odd one or two but when it comes to football these boys parents will be pushing them hard to take a more traditional route and go to University and become a Doctor or a Lawyer or start their own business. To many of them Football is a hobby and could never be a career.
 
MissChief said:
I think the suggestion was the backroom staff, the coaches, physios and board members because most of those are white.

Also, how many Indian or Pakistani players are there? Hardly any, even when you go down the leagues. There's the odd one or two but when it comes to football these boys parents will be pushing them hard to take a more traditional route and go to University and become a Doctor or a Lawyer or start their own business. To many of them Football is a hobby and could never be a career.
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That’s their cultural choice though, they value education. Getting fed up with the whole thing really, it just as easy to turn the football or f1 off, and do something else.
 
MissChief said:
Also, how many Indian or Pakistani players are there? Hardly any, even when you go down the leagues. There's the odd one or two but when it comes to football these boys parents will be pushing them hard to take a more traditional route and go to University and become a Doctor or a Lawyer or start their own business. To many of them Football is a hobby and could never be a career.
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I guess it's this sort of thing I don't get. Is it actually a problem that there aren't many Indian or Pakistani footballers? Not if they don't want to be, surely? If they're trying and they're being 'overlooked' because of the colour of their skin, definitely that's not right, but you're actually saying the issue is that their families are encouraging them to go a different route? I guess you could say maybe they want to be footballers and their Parents don't let them, but that's not a racism issue, is it?
 
Jimbeam3678 said:
Getting 'fed up of the whole thing' is maybe why its still a thing? Just a thought
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When do you draw the line? The world is full of injustice, who decides what is worthy enough to protest about at the start of a race? They could just cancel the race entirely and spend the whole weekend highlighting injustice of all forms.
 
I guess an injustice which is prevalent across the entire world and has been happening for many generations is a worthy cause, worth 2 minutes of your time before a race or game. Besides I guess if people do get fed up of it then people will stop watching which will soon make companies change their view.

One success story I recall on changing peoples opinions was Sky's single use plastic campaign. I am not clever enough to have the answers but for something so widespread a few minutes of my time before a race, game or anything else is fine with me.
 
Deliberately promoting ethic minorities doesn’t sit right with me. If you’re good enough, you should get the job regardless of race.
 
EVH said:
Deliberately promoting ethic minorities doesn’t sit right with me. If you’re good enough, you should get the job regardless of race.
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I completely agree, but for many years black and other BAME candidates have experienced clear discrimination with ‘black sounding names’ being removed from consideration or when candidates are closely matched the white candidate always getting the decision.
 
MissChief said:
I completely agree, but for many years black and other BAME candidates have experienced clear discrimination with ‘black sounding names’ being removed from consideration or when candidates are closely matched the white candidate always getting the decision.
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100% agree with this, in fact I was typing pretty much the same thing. It a skin colour and in 2020 people are still thinking this matters. This makes me sad, very sad in fact.
 
MissChief said:
I completely agree, but for many years black and other BAME candidates have experienced clear discrimination with ‘black sounding names’ being removed from consideration or when candidates are closely matched the white candidate always getting the decision.
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Sorry about this.
But this is the surnames from black population in the US

SMITH =23.11%
JOHNSON= 34%
WILLIAMS=47%
BROWN=35%
JONES=38%
JACKSON=53%

I could go on https://projects.newsday.com/databases/long-island/census-last-names/

Do they really sound like black surnames to people here or anywhere?
Or is this a wind up?
 
Because surnames are the only ever names that are used, right?

you realise this isn't just something @MissChief pulled out of thin air and is something that has had studies on. Both US and UK.

https://fullfact.org/economy/job-ap...ng-names-are-less-likely-be-called-interview/

https://www.nber.org/papers/w9873

All of the fictitious candidates were British citizens, or had moved to the UK by the age of six, and had identical CVs, covering letters and years of experience.

The only thing that they changed was the applicant's name, which they based on their ethnic background.

While 24% of white British applicants received a call back from UK employers, only 15% of ethnic minority applicants did.

Compared to White British applicants, people of:

  • Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications
  • Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications
  • Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications
Source
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MissChief said:
I completely agree, but for many years black and other BAME candidates have experienced clear discrimination with ‘black sounding names’ being removed from consideration or when candidates are closely matched the white candidate always getting the decision.
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deuse said:
Do they really sound like black surnames to people here or anywhere?
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I don't entirely understand your logic. MC points out that black sounding names sometimes get removed... you point out lots of black people don't have black sounding names. You realise those two points aren't really related? He didn't saying anything even remotely like 'all black people have names that let others know they are black'. The point was, if they do have a black sounding name (like Mr ADEDOKUN or Mr OGBONNAYA, both 99% Black) some people remove them from their list.
 
I have a difficult to say French surname however I am otherwise a born & bred northern english white man who speaks hotpot lingo. The French heritage is by name alone. I am very sure faceless contact for certain opportunities limits me based on my name compared to others. I expect that some companies percieve English may not be my first langage and assume I'm more difficult to work with due to that, which while discriminatory is not legal. This however has nothing to do with the colour of my skin and isn't really relevant to the term "black lives matter". It's a name.


Hamilton is an F1 talent however he's once reffered to growing up in a detached house in Stevenage as a "Slum". I think he's a young man who has been very very lucky from a young age and he obviously draws a lot of inspiration from other celebrity culture, especially the black culture and has marginalised himself into their position and their sotries rather than his own. Now I get he probably got some funny looks and was treated oddly by people in the 80s/90s as I'm of a similar age and some areas just didn't have many other obviously differing cultures and people like we do now; but I don't feel like he's coming from the background of the rappers and artists in the US culture he's so keen to integrate himself into and for that I find him hypocritical. The message is a good one, but I think it's badly presented and people don't fully understand it for what it is.

I've seen the reverse of this BLM issue where a minority isn't disciplined in the workplace due to fear their race is brought up, regardless of an issue not being related at all and purely abut ability. Some companies hire freely but fear the other side of it, but it's no secret discrimination happens in all walks of life and cultures for many reasons it's just not talked about.
 
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Dup said:
This however has nothing to do with the colour of my skin and isn't really relevant to the term "black lives matter". It's a name
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Agreed. But... you're the one that brought it up?! 'Here's a point, but it's not relevant to what you guys are talking about.' Erm, okay. Thanks, I guess? Am I missing something?

(To be clear, the above points were about colour of skin, being assumed from a name)
 
AndyCr15 said:
Agreed. But... you're the one that brought it up?! 'Here's a point, but it's not relevant to what you guys are talking about.' Erm, okay. Thanks, I guess? Am I missing something?

(To be clear, the above points were about colour of skin, being assumed from a name)
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My point being it extends beyond being against black or asian people by assuming the colour of skin from a name, the issue is not just for black people. I think it boils down more to assumed langage skills and culture differences where the real discrimination lies based on an appearance be it name or skin colour. But yeah, we're on the same lines. But the name issue extends beyond the colour issue.

My humble opinion is this is much less relevant in the UK like the issues they have in the USA, they're different issues to me. My world is culturally diverse and I don't see any first hand discrimination aside from chavs not liking asians and giving it large... but they're not hiring and firing or in the emergency services etc... they're just morons.
 
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