There is, clearly, some underlying mental health issues here. No normal 13 year old wakes up and decides to kill someone.
They are mentally ill, and we are a civilized society, we don't execute the sick.
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There is, clearly, some underlying mental health issues here. No normal 13 year old wakes up and decides to kill someone.
They are mentally ill, and we are a civilized society, we don't execute the sick.
Has anyone said under 18's can't be held responsible? As in the UK the age for criminal responsibility is 10
I haven't read the whole thread, but I don't think anyone here said they can't be incarcerated.
Whilst no deranged killer, I know that as a 13/14 year old I had almost no empathy for others. I wouldn't have pushed a tramp in front of a bus (I'd laugh gleefully at 'Bumfights' on VHS, though), but neither would I have gone out of my way to save a child from being run over.
I'm not at all sure that empathy is something teenagers ever have too much of. It's something that develops as you get older.
They did something terrible. They should be dealt with severely. They aren't necessarily without hope of rehabilitation.
I'm not at all sure that empathy is something teenagers ever have too much of. It's something that develops as you get older.
They did something terrible. They should be dealt with severely. They aren't necessarily without hope of rehabilitation.
All murder is mental illness then? Prove it isn't?
What about other serious crimes? Rape, assault, arson... surely all due to underlying mental illness?
Are are you assuming that due to them being 13/14 year old girls, that it must be mental illness. Whereas a 50 year old white male who murders someone is just evil...
No, but society quite rightly accepts that younger people aren't quite as capable of understanding the consequences of their own actions as older people are.
These girls' lives are ruined now regardless, what is stoning them to death supposed to actually achieve for anyone other than those with barbaric notions of revenge being a suitable form of justice?
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If this was America they would be on death row and forgotten. Just how it should be. Maybe not because of the age but you get my jist.
America's criminal justice system is not one to be envious of under any circumstances.
Because I think their friends would get the message. It seems our youth is increasingly out of control.
Look at this one:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/35438/Age-14-and-pure-evil.html
This is not just mental illness. This is an increasingly dangerous, out of control element in our society.
The "softly softly" approach will fail before too long. It's failing already.
Not being normal doesnt mean mentally ill.
Though countless wars soldiers of all nations have commited horrific acts upon civilians from torture to murder to canablism for soort or fun or just out of boredom.
They are not however mentally ill.
People can just be evil, or wrong or whatever you want to deacribe it but they are not ill.
Just people
Because in those countries with harsh penal systems including the death penalty, America, China etc all have such peaceful societies and such success with re-offending rates....
Unfortunately there are more complex issues at work here, ones that are not simply solved by using a bigger stick
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Countries with the death penalty have higher crime rates than is though. Do the deterrent just doesn't work.
Where do we get the evidence that the danger is increasing?
Very true
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Someone stop the planet please, I want to get off, Too many murderous nutjobs on this little rock.
The message that violence is condoned by society?
I'll pretend I didn't see the link to a tabloid news website.
You think there were gangs of "happy slapping" teenagers, randomly assaulting people, if we go back a few years?
Well, you had the mods and the rockers, but these random torturing and murdering kids, gangs of kids assaulting the elderly...
Society is changing, that's for sure.
There are now /many/ parts of the country I simply would not contemplate living in. Not just because they're deprived, but because the inhabitants are savages.
I can assure you the Sun didn't invent the story. You can find it in other publications if you wish; I'm not such a news-source snob that I won't believe anything the Sun says
Highly unlikely. She'd be in her own home, with defensive wounds, out-numbered and I would be very surprised if the two girls didn't have a violent history. The woman would almost certainly be granted Self-Defence verdict and the two girls would probably be charged with assault and bodily harm of some kind.
Every generation thinks the 'youth of today' are worse than before and it's the fortelling of the downfall of society, there was a letter in the papers recently complaining about exactly the same things we all moan about our youth of today, and it was from 1880
If anything, society now is as stable and safe as any time in our history
Have a quick read about 1800's juvenile crime here
http://www.bl.uk/romantics-and-victorians/articles/juvenile-crime-in-the-19th-century
It's mainly focusing on the thieving aspect (where 75% of all personal theft was committed by children) but there's mention of a child murderer in there as well, and it wouldn't take much to find other examples.
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Always has been, it's almost certainly better now that at any time in the past.