The end result was the same. The woman is dead because they lacked empathy and it seemed they derived some sick pleasure from doing it.
Harmless 39 year old alcoholic woman tortured and beaten to death by girls aged 13 and 14.
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The end result was the same. The woman is dead because they lacked empathy and it seemed they derived some sick pleasure from doing it.
What these 2 girls need is the type of help that the government is not willing to give. No normal 13 year old girl will kill an torture a woman for fun.
Something in their lives have had to been so disturbing to cause their mental helth to be twisted to the state of thinking this kind of behavior is ok and fun and they were not given the help they needed to ensure they could grow to be stable human beings.
I am not justifying this kind of behavior and it is awful what they have done and they should definitely be convicted but at the same time they both need help.
Also why were they allowed to be out in the middle of the night if they were troubled??
Something in their lives have had to been so disturbing to cause their mental helth to be twisted to the state of thinking this kind of behavior is ok and fun and they were not given the help they needed to ensure they could grow to be stable human beings.
I am not justifying this kind of behavior and it is awful what they have done and they should definitely be convicted but at the same time they both need help.
Also why were they allowed to be out in the middle of the night if they were troubled??
I completely agree
I bet if the woman fought back and injured the kids while defending herself, she would be the one going to prison. That's how messed up things have got.
Also the thing with prisoners being allowed TVs and consoles should be stopped immediately. They should get a sink, bed and toilet. That's it.
Also the thing with prisoners being allowed TVs and consoles should be stopped immediately. They should get a sink, bed and toilet. That's it.
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Some people are more easily influenced than other
One of the worlds biggest industries is utterly dependent on the concept that what people see in the media affects their behaviour.
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Just saying!
And NO it is not a defence for awful behaviour. I am however recognising that, possibly, the media might just have a part to play in this!
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Some more details of what the girls did to the lady. Not quoting as it is sickening 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-35635420
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-35635420
Sexual abuse when young, non-sexual but violent abuse, lack of supportive adult figures, ejection from school system and general society, unstable home environment. These are some of the common contributory factors that lead to someone disengaging from others, detachment, violent tendencies.
This case isn't unique. Someone mentioned the film Beautiful Creatures but there was another film around the same time called "Fun" which was based on a real case in California of two girls - one was fifteen, the other around the same age - who talked their way into an old woman's house whom they didn't know and stabbed her to death. Later reporting that it was "fun".
As another person observed, there are usually some reasons for this. The Hollywood staple of someone who is just born evil isn't actually that common. Normally there is abuse and violence in their early years.
I would be 100% in favour of publicly stoning them to death.
Some times I'm in favour of attempted rehabilitation, but not here. These girls have no future in normal society. They can never be trusted after this. Clearly dangerously insane.
Some times I'm in favour of attempted rehabilitation, but not here. These girls have no future in normal society. They can never be trusted after this. Clearly dangerously insane.
Funny that, because when people of another culture (who shall not be mentioned) actually do stone people to death we call them uncivilised savage animals....
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Some people when bullied do not fight back, some take the knocks, this woman was an alcoholic, she may have been esn, who knows, long term alcohol addles the mind.
She might be used to getting thumped around.
She might not have any desire to fight back, she might have seen the two as stronger than her, turtle mode, pull head in, try to last it out.
Poor woman.
You know what, I said "stoning" instead of "hanging" because I wanted to see someone use this as a retort
Frankly, the fact that Culture Y and Culture X both might have the death penalty, means in fact very little.
The death penalty might be used for vastly different crimes, for example.
Ie, would you consider the stoning to death of these two vile teenagers, the exact same situation as stoning an alleged "adulteress" for leaving her house unaccompanied?
The devil is in the details, as they say.
Frankly, neither of these two girls should continue breathing. Who here is going to want to defend their right to life, after what they did?
They murdered in cold blood, with no reason and no remorse, and so they should forfeit their own lives.
You know what, I said "stoning" instead of "hanging" because I wanted to see someone use this as a retort
Frankly, the fact that Culture Y and Culture X both might have the death penalty, means in fact very little.
The death penalty might be used for vastly different crimes, for example.
Ie, would you consider the stoning to death of these two vile teenagers, the exact same situation as stoning an alleged "adulteress" for leaving her house unaccompanied?
The devil is in the details, as they say.
Frankly, neither of these two girls should continue breathing. Who here is going to want to defend their right to life, after what they did?
They murdered in cold blood, with no reason and no remorse, and so they should forfeit their own lives.
Your advocating execution for a crime committed by a 13 year old?
Yes, yes I am.
The idea that teenagers cannot be responsible for their actions is an absurd one.
The actions of these 13 and 14 year old merits their execution.
Why not?
Yes I would as both are unacceptable
So what would you do with these two girls? They are remorseless killers. They are clearly very damaged and lack a working conscience.
They are extremely dangerous.
I wouldn't advocate public stoning