Harmless 39 year old alcoholic woman tortured and beaten to death by girls aged 13 and 14.

[Raz]

Being fully aware and not caring sounds pretty mental to me, a normal reaction would have been regretful after the fact once the adrenaline wears off, this isn't the case.

Not necessarily. How many people who commit genocide or murders in wars lead normal lives if not caught? It's not like the guilt of killing people leads them to live sad lives in depression. Most of them probably wouldn't qualify as mental health patients.

Sad fact is that some people, whether through nature or nurture, just don't care enough about the suffering of others.

 

[Raz]

This is the argument that fascinates me most on OcUK. For a board with a majority atheists who uphold science and materialism I see a lot of people who believe in the supernatural force of "evil".

But something they don't link to the devil so there's no supernatural association with the word 'evil'. These aren't bad children. They're evil.

 

[darreny]

This is the argument that fascinates me most on OcUK. For a board with a majority atheists who uphold science and materialism I see a lot of people who believe in the supernatural force of "evil".

My view of evil is someone who will go to extreme measures to harm someone or something else. As has been said previously though a lot would consider the krays twins as evil and sadistic yet there are films that romanticise their lives now.
I don't believe things are getting worse it's just easier to hear stories like this with social media. I do believe if it did get worse we'd see the rise of more hardline politicians to deal with it.

 

[Tefal]

I dont think we need capital punishment.

I do with we need better sentencing but at the same time thats utterly pointless without major penal reform.


We need new prisons designing fit for purpose not just 100 year old buildings that already have cells.


Prison needs to be safe for the gaurds and the inmates or you'll never be able to make progress on changing the people.


And im not opposed to a dedicated long term/unrecoverable fscility that is just for the people who cant be brought back into the fold.

 

[Orionaut]

This is the argument that fascinates me most on OcUK. For a board with a majority atheists who uphold science and materialism I see a lot of people who believe in the supernatural force of "evil".

I find it curious that there are a lot of people (Not necessarily in OCUK!) who accept the supernatural concept of God but no not accept the supernatural Satanic world.

Surely you have to accept both or neither!

 

[thomolithic]

I think Isolation for the duration of the sentence.

From what i've read, 30 days is enough to drive some people to suicide.
This would be an especially apt sentence given that the two of these evil witches are apparently inseparable.

 

[MookJong]

But something they don't link to the devil so there's no supernatural association with the word 'evil'. These aren't bad children. They're evil.

This is entirely my point, they never define the origin of this so called "Evil".

If they were religious it would make sense...

 

[Johno please?]

This is the argument that fascinates me most on OcUK. For a board with a majority atheists who uphold science and materialism I see a lot of people who believe in the supernatural force of "evil".

huh? you think being evil, is supernatural? riiiiight.

I don't think people are evil, we're defined by our actions, if I was to go and commit this type of crime, I would be quite obviously, evil. Or mentally ill, depending on my motive etc etc.

 

[darreny]

There was another not long after the bulger case with a girl being held hostage and tortured for days then when they didn't know what to do with her drove her to not far from where I live and set her on fire, she lived for a few days after the ordeal, some of those only got 7 years. Not a punishment that fit the crime really

 

[evsknight]

That's horrific to the point of bewilderment. Need locking up and the key thrown away.

 

[Pants]

This is entirely my point, they never define the origin of this so called "Evil".

If they were religious it would make sense...

It's just being used as a descriptive word to describe people, for whatever reason, predisposed to do bad things.

No fascination or religious overtones required.

 

[slick rick]

How can two young minds be so warped as to drive them to commit such a heinous act? Really disturbing.

They should never be released back into society but they will almost certainly get a pathetically short sentence and be released with new identities back upon the world.

Disgusting people.

 

[stuie]

Thing I dont understand while this is horrible

How does a 39 year old fighting for her life not be able to over power a couple of 13 year olds?

 

[slick rick]

Thing I dont understand while this is horrible

How does a 39 year old fighting for her life not be able to over power a couple of 13 year olds?

If she caught a blow to the head when she was unaware it was coming or something I imagine the prospect of fighting them off was unlikely. And 13 or not she was out numbered.

I doubt we will ever know the real facts of this horrific incident.

 

[CosmicClown]

How can two young minds be so warped as to drive them to commit such a heinous act? Really disturbing.

Not freakin' rocket science mate

By age 18 the average child will have seen 16,000 simulated murders and 200,000 acts of violence.

Its called the TV/media.

Same reason everyone's sex obsessed!

To quote a band called Third Eye Blind

'Hollywood glamorized my wrath,
I'm a young urban psychopath,
I incite murder, for your entertainment'

 

[diamount]

Why do people assume physical discipline would make someone with a warped mind good? Dahmer had a perfectly good childhood, and that did not stop him from murdering all those people.

 

[darreny]

There's quite a difference in what damher did tho

 

[darreny]

The other thing overlooked is it wouldn't matter if we had the death penalty, they were minors

 

[Nix]

Not freakin' rocket science mate

By age 18 the average child will have seen 16,000 simulated murders and 200,000 acts of violence.

Its called the TV/media.

Same reason everyone's sex obsessed!

To quote a band called Third Eye Blind

'Hollywood glamorized my wrath,
I'm a young urban psychopath,
I incite murder, for your entertainment'

And yet there's no scientific proof that there's a direct correlation between media/video games and violence.

 

[slick rick]

Not freakin' rocket science mate

By age 18 the average child will have seen 16,000 simulated murders and 200,000 acts of violence.

Its called the TV/media.

Same reason everyone's sex obsessed!

To quote a band called Third Eye Blind

'Hollywood glamorized my wrath,
I'm a young urban psychopath,
I incite murder, for your entertainment'

Ah, so that explains why "the average" teenager commits murder and why acts like this are the norm with todays school kids.