Harmless 39 year old alcoholic woman tortured and beaten to death by girls aged 13 and 14.

Tefal said:
So did your grandad beat your dad for raising a hand to you?
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Why would he?

I deserved it so no - it wasn't for answering back etc, it was for something much more serious. It was punishment for morally right reasons and then there's todays namby pamby way where you are not allowed to do anything more than talk a bit louder.... My dad was my hero and it only happened once - I was more hurt by the disappointment he felt he had to.

And I'm grateful for it....

ps he literally slapped the back of my thigh once and my god did it hurt! lol
 
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helpimcrap said:
Why would he?

I deserved it so no - it wasn't for answering back etc, it was for something much more serious. It was punishment for morally right reasons and then there's todays namby pamby way where you are not allowed to do anything more than talk a bit louder.... My dad was my hero and it only happened once - I was more hurt by the disappointment he felt he had to.


And I'm grateful for it....

ps he literally slapped the back of my thigh once and my god did it hurt! lol
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I think he meant the cycle of violence
 
adolf hamster said:
By what the op says i think this is very much a "danger to society" scenario, i'd say they're probably better suited to being sent to a mental asylum than imprisoned.
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But they seem fully aware of what they did, they just dont care, thats not mental, its evil. That has grown from crap parents.

They need putting down. As said, they will be out in 10yrs with new identites.
 
Johno please? said:
But they seem fully aware of what they did, they just dont care, thats not mental, its evil. That has grown from crap parents.

They need putting down. As said, they will be out in 10yrs with new identites.
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Being fully aware and not caring sounds pretty mental to me, a normal reaction would have been regretful after the fact once the adrenaline wears off, this isn't the case.
 
I think everyone on this thread who has suggested capital punishment should probably ask themselves if they would be willing to carry out the sentence they have prescribed.

And if the answer is; 'yes, I could look someone in the eye and then take that person's life, without remorse, regret and devoid of any other negative emotion' then perhaps they should consider the implications of this very carefully.
 
gandhi said:
I think everyone on this thread who has suggested capital punishment should probably ask themselves if they would be willing to carry out the sentence they have prescribed.

And if the answer is; 'yes, I could look someone in the eye and then take that person's life, without remorse, regret and devoid of any other negative emotion' then perhaps they should consider the implications of this very carefully.
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Why is that, exactly?

Please give a complete answer (and I don't mean to be confrontational when I say that) rather than an emotive soundbite without the substantive meat.
 
I beleive the old firing squads in ww1 used to mix wooden bullets with real ones, and the soldiers could cling to the hope that they were the one firing blanks and it was someone else shot them.

Afaik don't the americans operate a two man system? So there's not one "executioner" on whom all the guilt of sanctioned murder is placed.

Plus ofc you have to bear in mind killing for a purpose is different than killing for no reason, soldiers for example, so you can reason guilt with "i had to"
 
adolf hamster said:
Afaik don't the americans operate a two man system? So there's not one "executioner" on whom all the guilt of sanctioned murder is placed.
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This guy in America was responsible for a lot of executions and it has haunted him so much that he now campaigns for it to be abolished.

BBC Hardtalk interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlUsbLmkqaQ

As for this case, I think the best punishment is complete isolation without any chance of being able to take your own life.
 
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Gigabit said:
The Death Penalty of course is not the answer. The taking of another life doesn't in any way undo the taking of the first.

Life in prison, in total isolation, is the only responsible sentence.
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It achives the exact same thing as the isolation sentence, saftey for the rest of society.

But without the cruel and unusual punishment of putting somoen in totoal isolation for the rest of thier life
 
adolf hamster said:
Being fully aware and not caring sounds pretty mental to me, a normal reaction would have been regretful after the fact once the adrenaline wears off, this isn't the case.
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Not being a normal reaction doesnt mean the only other option is mental.

Theres loads of criminals who have killed people, they dont regret it they arent upset by it many are proud of it.

They are not however mentally ill.
 
Tefal said:
It achives the exact same thing as the isolation sentence, saftey for the rest of society.

But without the cruel and unusual punishment of putting somoen in totoal isolation for the rest of thier life
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Plus not using up tax payer money.
I fully support the deathpenalty. Some crimes deserve for you to be removed.
 
IvanDobskey said:
We just do not punish bad people in this country anymore.

You have do do something pretty appalling to actually get locked up, and even then it's usually in some cushy place more akin to a holiday home.

There needs to be a proper deterrent.
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There needs to be more widespread knowledge of reality rather than the rabble-rousing blathering in the media.

Saying that only people who do something pretty appalling get locked up at all and even then it's in a cushy place akin to a holiday home is as deluded as saying that everyone on benefits lives in a mansion with half a dozen 60 inch TVs and every games console. It's simply not reality.

As for how well "a proper deterrent" works, look at the USA. In fact, look anywhere and any time. The only circumstances in which "a proper deterrent" works is brutal tyrannies in which people routinely get tortured because they might possibly perhaps be guilty maybe.
 
Pestilence said:
Why is that, exactly?

Please give a complete answer (and I don't mean to be confrontational when I say that) rather than an emotive soundbite without the substantive meat.
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It's generally not a good thing to be a person who can kill other people and not care at all.

It's worse than that, really, because people are routinely and publically fantasising about torturing people to death for their own enjoyment. I don't think that's a good thing. If I was as prone to fear-mongering hyperbole as some people are, I'd say it was the reason why society is dying, dead or whatever.
 
stewski said:
Some post here say a lot about how many people have sick thoughts when anonymous.
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Metaphor is lost on some people I guess :(

Were I to say..

"I cannot conceive of any possible circumstance whereby I might consider them ever safe for release into wider society (Or even have any contact, say in prison, with anybody who is going to be eventually released back into wider society)"

Would that make you happier?

Oh, And PS

I am sorry for the Guards! They must risk getting their minds damaged too by some of the people they have the misfortune to have to look after!
 
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