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'Birthright' lol. What a joke in 2023.
Harry and Meghan to resign
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its ridiculous isn't it.
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I thought there was a restricted list of those closest to the monarch who were allowed to use royal titles, clearly its not tight enough.
It's not a list, it's a set of rules.
IIRC only the eldest son of the heir's eldest son gets HRH automatically, so only Prince George was entitled to HRH at birth but the Queen opted to grant the HRH titles to William's other two kids by issuing new letters patent.
Prior to 1917, male line great-grandchildren of the Monarch would have been referred to as His Highness and Her Highness. (apparently, after the change was made one poor bloke who was a HH by virtue of being a male line great-grandchild lost his "Prince" title).
For example, if not for the change then if Prince Edward's son had kids then those children would have gotten HH titles too and would have been lower-ranked princes/princesses for life, albeit never HRHs unless they were female and married a cousin! As it happens Prince Edwards's son doesn't even use the HRH or Prince title himself, he uses a courtesy Viscount title (one of his father's subsidiary titles) as the son of an Earl.
Likewise, William's other kids and Harry's kids would have been automatically HHs.
Post-1917 the HH title has vanished so there were no automatic royal titles for any of the great-grandkids (except HRH Prince George) but once the Queen died then as male-line grandchildren of the monarch there are automatic HRH titles.
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Children of the monarch.
Grandchildren of the monarch.
Great-grandchildren of the monarch in the direct line of succession only.
That's chucked in the bin, commonwealth had a vote and scrapped male priority. First come first served not that it is going to change anything that's already lined up in our lifetime.
Nah I don't think so, that isn't down to them to decide. I think you're getting muddled with the rules on succession for the monarch him/herself?
Like if Princess Charlotte has kids then, AFAIK, they won't be HRH, like Princess Anne, if she marries a commoner then the kids will be too whereas her younger brother Prince Louis's kids will be HRH.
Likewise when Prince Andrew's daughters married their husbands didn't start being referred to as HRH or Prince but Prince Louis's wife, if he has one, will be referred to that way + the possible wives of any sons he has.
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Princess Anne being one of the more sensible balanced members of the royal family determined that her children should not have royal titles. Harry on the other hand...
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LOL
Though to be fair it wasn't automatic for her, she'd have presumably declined an offer by the Queen to make them HRHs. Edward's kids are technically entitled to HRH titles though don't use them.
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She did, wanting them to be semi anonymous and allowing them to make their way albeit with privilege in the world.
I'm really curious about what each of the Royals inherited when both Prince Philip and the Queen died... Andrew isn't being evicted per se but rather the rumour is that it's a cut to his 250k allowance that could force the move as the upkeep of his current home with swimming pool and 98 acres is quite a bit more expensive than Frogmore Cottage's upkeep.
Prince Andrew ‘resisting’ move into Frogmore Cottage
Reports of the disgraced royal’s reluctance to move out of current home arrive as Duke and Duchess of Sussex confirm they were asked to ‘vacate’ their 10-bedroom property in Windsorwww.independent.co.uk
But if that's the reason then he can't have got much from his parents, there seems to have been estimates of say circa 30 million for Prince Phillip but frankly, I'm not sure anyone has any good idea about what his net worth was, more relevant though is the Queen in terms of her personal wealth she apparently had a circa £500 million stock portfolio and that isn't liable for inheritance tax.
I don't see any good reason why that apparent 500 million wasn't split 4 ways among her kids as both the reigning monarch and the Prince of Wales are already, essentially, either centimillionaires or billionaires in the same way that any centimillionaire/billionaire with a trust fund/family business empire they can't sell is; they have independent the annual incomes from the Duchy of Lancaster (600+million estate, annual income £24 million) and Duchy of Cornwall (1 billion estate, £21 million annual income) respectively. (Seperate to the 80 million received from the Crown Estate last year to pay for annual Royal Household running costs/Buckingham Palace refurbishment etc..)
But clearly, if this story is true, Andrew presumably didn't get very much of the Queen's privately held wealth in the will if even a cut to his £250k annual income would leave him struggling with bills in his current place.
I came across the article this morning @dowie https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...t&itm_campaign=trending_section&itm_content=1
So as we suspected, he didn't inherit anything. I've no idea whether traditionally the next-in-line is supposed to share any of the inheritance - presumably if he does then it would be subject to inheritance tax.
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Anything, in his terms means anything above single digit millions no doubt. I expect they were left something on her death but maybe not enough to ensure his lifestyle for the next 30 odd years.
The easy money is to bet any outcome will be another blend of car crash and cringe.
But it's an interesting question of what it's worth Charles paying the muppet just to avoid more relatives crawling to the media and snitching for cash.
Why doesn't Charles just off him?
or, she set up a covenant years ago to avoid inheritance tax - smoke & mirrors.
Andrews next step is appeal against the increasingly discredited Guiffre , can he afford the legal counsel and risk of court appearance -
in that context media tell all debate would be suicide.
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I am sure that there is a dungeon somewhere just adjacent to tower Bridge and purpose built for uncomfortable relatives of the monarchy. He could be slipped in one high tide and never seen or heard of again.
Who, Andrew? Oh he's retired to a plantation somewhere in South America.
The problem I see if he pays him to shut up, is that he'll keep crawling back for more.
It probably seems unfair that in any normal circumstances he'd get a 162.5mil share and then subtract any taxes due. So a very generous amount. But I've no sympathy, he already has lived in a home for most of his life worth more than he could ever have afforded had he lived a civilian life.
The fact that he's pretty much been disowned by the Royal family, I'd say let him to whatever chat shows he wants, there's no further embarrassment to be had.
So they are not entitled to anything legally and it's just out of his good graces? I expect Andrew not to get anything then.
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There is another option - She could try going two steps up and go for Harry's father. Bit of a long shot, perhaps, but not beyond inconceivability. Besides, I've heard it said, "Once a cheater, always a cheater" and Charlie 3 has cheated in the past...
I'm sure stranger things have happend in monarchial history, and it'd make for TV drama miniseries that'd rival the Tudor stuff. Might even beat Love Island for viewership ratings!