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Has Anyone Moved From Nvidia To Amd And Not Regretted It
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Caporegime
Soldato
From a buying today I think you're right that you need to consider current prices and not launch prices.
If we're looking at a marketshare point of view then maybe we need to consider the launch prices rather than just assume "everyone hates AMD". Being £3.99 cheaper at launch than Nvidia when the overall product is, arguably, inferior, might be a contributing factor.
Of course the other factor in this thread is that very few people have switched like-for-like. There's a lot of "My brand new 7000 series AMD GPU is much better than my 13 year old Nvidia GPU. No complaints here.", which while valid might not tell the whole story.
Caporegime
Given the whole argument for some people being that the AMD experience is just plain worse than Nvidia its a valid question and with that fellows valid answers, people don't, in general, switch the latest brand new Nvidia GPU for one from AMD, or vice versa so it stands to reason this is not the question.
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Caporegime
Juxtaposition: if the overriding sentiment wasn't so the question wouldn't be needed.
Soldato
Imo, AMD's allocating all their high end to pro space for maximum profit AI boom.
Imo, AMD's 'reassurance' of concentrating on low/midrange is PR spin.
Don't know why you came to that conclusion, @humbug and almost everyone else is simply repeating that impression .
Soldato
Yes, vrams absolutely the reason I'm on XTX@4K, the cost for 16Gb is a bad buy with Nv's track record-unless you're guaranteed upgrading, which I'm not necessarily going to do.
Hoping to go back to one upgrade and demoting the fastest GPU to the second system, which couldn't be done with the 3070/80 setups, if the 3080 had 16gb, it would have been kept.
To be fair my 4080 at 4K and 16GB has been performing admirably without issues. The problem was never the performance, it was the price. It was always designed to upsell buyers to the 4090.
Funny, a colleague this week is champing at the bit to get a 5090. He was adamant the 4090 was twice as fast as the 3090Ti when it released. I showed him categorically it was nowhere near that and was about 50% faster and only at 4K. I even showed that it was not even close to twice as fast as a 3090. We looked at TPU and Guru3D and his response was, “well I can dream”.
This is the guy who sold me his 4080. I could sense he was hedging to sell me his 4090 and I told him, sure it’s only 25% faster than the 4080 you already sold me. And that when the 5080 releases at 25% faster than a 4090 for £1500 his 4090 might be worth about £700… well if we follow Nvidia pricing logic
He has been between a 4090, then a 4080, then a 7900 XTX and finally a 4090 again. He is nuts for upgrading and tinkering.
Funny, a colleague this week is champing at the bit to get a 5090. He was adamant the 4090 was twice as fast as the 3090Ti when it released. I showed him categorically it was nowhere near that and was about 50% faster and only at 4K. I even showed that it was not even close to twice as fast as a 3090. We looked at TPU and Guru3D and his response was, “well I can dream”.
This is the guy who sold me his 4080. I could sense he was hedging to sell me his 4090 and I told him, sure it’s only 25% faster than the 4080 you already sold me. And that when the 5080 releases at 25% faster than a 4090 for £1500 his 4090 might be worth about £700… well if we follow Nvidia pricing logic
He has been between a 4090, then a 4080, then a 7900 XTX and finally a 4090 again. He is nuts for upgrading and tinkering.
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Soldato
It should be yes, but we all know the 7900XTs RRP was inflated.
We paid £600 for hers, and realistically until the 4 series came out, partially down to COVID, the 3080s were typically costing 700-800+ for most of their onshelf lifespan unless you got lucky and got a founders card. The RRP on that actually went up IIRC as well. Either way, the vast majority of 3080 owners did NOT pay founders prices for it, but considerably inflated. Given that, the comparative prices during original run, are not that far out.
Point I was making was that the 7900XT, despite all the jokes thrown at it since release, is a surprisingly good card, and given said mockery, its easy to forget how good it actually is. It dominates the 3080's performance at QHD, whilst running at the more demanding 3840x1600...so decently faster even with the resolution uplift, whereas some of the vitriol thrown at it would make you think it was barely faster than a 3070, exaggerations aside, its a very decent card.
The VRAM means shouldnt have any issues there for a while either.
Honestly if the 8900XT/XTX is a tweaked 7900XTX, with the raster/clock bottlenecks eliminated, considerably uprated RT, and at a £500, I might just buy one, as Nvidia's 900-1000+ RRP line-ups are just getting silly.
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Soldato
You've answered why games need patching, it's been rinse and repeat since PC gaming began, vrams simply made it worse.
Stripping it back though, my point is, help them out, add the memory in the first place, it's not as if memory is remotely close to the underlying reason for ever increasing higher pricing/bus width 'excuses' gen on gen, they can allocate to whaterver spec they want but it's used as a tool to hold back performance.
Lack of vram/heavier RT'ing cost is the easiest way to get you to upgrade next gen-and it works.
Case in point an Ampere 60 class GPU can easily outperform it's sibling 70ti in today's titles.
That's brutal.
I was even cautious about going back 10+yrs away from AMD when I got the XTX, even though it was plain sailing back then, but that's because of the perceived rep(@humbug what about you?), drivers have been fine on either AMD/NV outwith both of their unique aaaarggghhh moments, but always ends up being a self created mistake.
Caporegime
I was a little yes, there is always a lot of noise around AMD being a bad experience so even if i know a lot of that is self reporting PEBCAK it still has an effect.
remember LTT's AMD challenge? Luke had nothing but problems with his AMD GPU, he ran it outside of the case on a very long riser cable, he put it on top of the tower case so you can imagine the cable was 4X longer than your average riser cable, we all know PCIe 4 doesn't like long riser cables, hey have also got to be of a high quality standard or you get problems.
Lukes issues were absolutely due to his long riser cable, the others even hinted that to him and giggling at him insisting its an AMD problem, why? Is he an Nvidia fanboi? No, his problem is he has already convinced himself it was going to be bad because AMD, his experience then just confirmed his bias, he was being stupid.... but it doesn't matter, AMD had no chance with him.
The Lukes of this world are not unusual, its that thing where someone has a problem with an Nvidia GPU and thier thinking is "what have i done wrong" ? they tryout an AMD GPU and they made a mistake its "what have AMD done wrong" ?
Having said that those people cannot be blamed, idiots are not that common place and if you're not an idiot you shouldn't have a bad experience.
Which bring it on to me, i'm a member of 4 Discord gaming orgs, an admin of two of them, i know a lot of people, really a lot.
A lot of them switched from 10 and 20 series Nvidia GPU's to RX 6000 / 7000 GPU's, particular the former a couple of years ago
All of them with apprehension, and all of them pleasantly surprised by the experience, a lot of them didn't like the 30 series and having switched now have a ____ you Nvidia attitude.
AMD were on a role with RX 6000, they did everything, pretty much right, they haven't kept that momentum going with the 7000, tho that also isn't entirely true, people like the 7900 XTX and the 7800 XT, they don't like the rest of them, the mistakes AMD made with some of the others have put a damper on the good vibes AMD had with the RX 6000.
These are significant mistakes, AMD really need to know and understand their market better, it seemed like they did with RX 6000 and then they ruined it with RX 7000.
People really like to try and put a downer on the RX 7800 because for its name sake its not much better than the RX 6800 XT, people who actually buy AMD GPU's, *Hello* don't see it like that, its just a name, stupid naming? Yes. Is it a bad or over priced GPU? No..... that's all that matters, its it a good GPU in its own right? Yes, is it well priced, can i afford it? Yes. Sold.... *Hey these AMD things are pretty good, runs really nice, no problems*
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Sorry to snip your quote. I got my son a 7900XT last June for about £640 after the cost of Starfield premium was factored in. It has genuinely been an amazingly fast card and the Adrenaline driver is so great to tweak and tinker with. The only area my older 3080 FE beat it was in access to DLSS and in extreme RT effects, but the 3080 died with those RT enabled anyway.
At that price it put my own 4080 to shame on price/perf value (an admittedly low bar).
I got my 3080 FE for MSRP and got lucky. It is disingenuous to compare a mythical MSRP for the 3080 that the vast majority never saw to the now long surpassed (and idiotic) 7900XT launch MSRP. It reeks of cherry picking to justify a narrative rather than prove a point.
I’m genuinely happy with my 4080 performance as it is right now and the 7900XT is very close in raster. If AMD can get 4080 like raster and RT performance for sub £600, it will be great for consumers. Big if I agree.
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Caporegime
Picture this. Lets correct AMD's mistakes, rename them and price them like they should have been. Starting from the top.
RX 7900 XT.
50% faster than the 6900 XT, same $1000, an extra 8GB of VRam bonus, great GPU, good vibes.
RX 7800 XT.
33 % faster than the 6800 XT, $50 more expensive at $700, not going to complain about you pushing the price up a little, its not bad, extra 4GB VRam bonus, ok vibes, worth it.
RX 7700 XT.
56% faster than the RX 6700 XT, $20 more expensive, don't care, $20.... so what? its more than half as fast again and its now 16GB instead of 12GB, what a thing... winer winer.... take my money, great vibes.
That is true anyway ^^^^ i don't care about it daft name, its a great GPU priced right.
RX 7600 XT, $420, $40 more expensive than the RX 6600 XT and 70% faster with 12GB of VRam, this is a huge step up for the mid range, this is a properly good GPU, again take my money....
You see how proper branding and just a $30 reduction in price can change the perception of a GPU entirely, every tech jurno called the RX 7700 XT "Meh" and that was purley down to the branding and pricing just a little too close to its bigger brother. By giving it its proper name and reducing the price by $30 changes it entirely.
RX 7500 XT, $240, yeah its $40 more but it has a proper PCIe bus this time, 8 GB VRam which is fine for 1080P and nearly 3X as fast as the RX 6500 XT, its 20% more money for you buying in the lower end... but find the $40 this is a vastly better GPU, its a proper GPU.
A few small changes... very very different GPU launch.
RX 7900 XT.
50% faster than the 6900 XT, same $1000, an extra 8GB of VRam bonus, great GPU, good vibes.
RX 7800 XT.
33 % faster than the 6800 XT, $50 more expensive at $700, not going to complain about you pushing the price up a little, its not bad, extra 4GB VRam bonus, ok vibes, worth it.
RX 7700 XT.
56% faster than the RX 6700 XT, $20 more expensive, don't care, $20.... so what? its more than half as fast again and its now 16GB instead of 12GB, what a thing... winer winer.... take my money, great vibes.
That is true anyway ^^^^ i don't care about it daft name, its a great GPU priced right.
RX 7600 XT, $420, $40 more expensive than the RX 6600 XT and 70% faster with 12GB of VRam, this is a huge step up for the mid range, this is a properly good GPU, again take my money....
You see how proper branding and just a $30 reduction in price can change the perception of a GPU entirely, every tech jurno called the RX 7700 XT "Meh" and that was purley down to the branding and pricing just a little too close to its bigger brother. By giving it its proper name and reducing the price by $30 changes it entirely.
RX 7500 XT, $240, yeah its $40 more but it has a proper PCIe bus this time, 8 GB VRam which is fine for 1080P and nearly 3X as fast as the RX 6500 XT, its 20% more money for you buying in the lower end... but find the $40 this is a vastly better GPU, its a proper GPU.
A few small changes... very very different GPU launch.
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Soldato
Agreed, AMD has a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, because again and again they let the marketing/sales team set names and prices just that bit higher than they should, without true reflection of either A) The relative position in the market B) The percieved value of Nvidia's features which it spends a lot on and markets, and they need to get it through thier heads they are not the market leader, do not have 100% feature parity, and cannot price as such. Its not even about making them super cheap, its about naming and pricing them relative to what the market will bear (which isnt always the same as what Nvidia launches and prices at either!)
It could have had a very different launch with the 7*** series if it hadn't just tried to price gouge and accepted that the COVID elevated pricing was over. It was extremely out of touch. Smarter pricing and naming could have given them massively better launch feedback.
With all thier talk of aiming strongly for the mid end this time around, and the burn the CPU division recieved with the 9000 initial launch, I'd like to hope they're learning, but we will see.
It could have had a very different launch with the 7*** series if it hadn't just tried to price gouge and accepted that the COVID elevated pricing was over. It was extremely out of touch. Smarter pricing and naming could have given them massively better launch feedback.
With all thier talk of aiming strongly for the mid end this time around, and the burn the CPU division recieved with the 9000 initial launch, I'd like to hope they're learning, but we will see.
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Soldato
To be fair AMD aren't alone in this naming (and pricing) practice. You could do the same with Nvidia's product line.
But the naming thing works for a lot of people, it just annoys us.
I believe I read today that the 4060 has just become the most popular GPU on the Steam hardware survey (I've not checked this fact). So while a lot of us feel that it should be a 4050 or whatever it's not hurt sales it would seem. I'm actually thinking of getting one myself.
EDIT: Checked, it's 2nd most popular, followed by the mobile 4060 and the 4060 Ti
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Soldato
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Yep had AMD stuck to the 6 series naming scheme and similar pricing they would have done a lot better imo.
Can I just say something here, a lot of people on this forum actually have quite normal sensible configurations, i.e not running a massive riser cable from their PC etc...
But the amount of LTT staff that actually run jank set ups is insane, I do enjoy the make over episodes with the staff and you get to see what hardware and how its all set up from their staff, its terrible, so few of them are normal set ups, its so jank.
I have cable clutter with all of the various devices I have, but the computer is pretty normal, GPU directly slotting into motherboard, Air cooler on my CPU but I find PC building already finicky like this, for them to go out of their way to do something beyond dumb is just like, why aren't they blaming themselves for issues.
But looking at how many people are supportive of PC master race and don't actually have a decent budget for hardware, and jank set ups seem to be normal for a lot of people it seems.
I give Nvidia that they are more resilient to stuff like that including emulation which apparently is a big userbase of LTT including their own staff and running emulations is jank to start with, this was something I use to do in the past and just no longer ( not to mention I'm not interested in playing old games anymore ).
Not to mention that more people mod their games outside beyond the game boundries then they care to admit, I'm not talking about stuff found on nexus mods, its stuff that goes beyond that and I think Nvidia drivers are more resilient to this as well but its just all jank.
A lot of people have jank set ups and run jank games more then people care to admit, but its these use cases that make people stay with Nvidia and fair play to them with drivers that keeps working in that sense.
But I can't use jank set ups as a baseline of an argument, run AMD GPUs conventionally and it runs just fine, no one would tell the difference unless they want to use specific options.
Caporegime
I agree with all of this, having said that i doubt an Nvidia GPU would fare any better virtually blue-toothed to his PCIe slot via a 2 foot riser he dug out of an odds and ends basket, the Nvidia GPU he took out was in the case.
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Soldato
One other thing that may have something to do with tech tubers and their idea that you get more issues with AMD cards is that they likely use more of them than most of us do.
So they may be more likely to hit those odd issues either through odd hardware combinations, frequent hardware changes, odd software configurations, frequent software changes and unfortunate hardware samples. Now that applies to Nvidia as well, but if they're more tolerant of at least some of those things, when you're dealing with them in volume it's probably more noticeable.
That said, the two most recent issues I've had with AMD I don't think were user error either and would likely affect a bunch of people the same way. One was that my 7900 XT has 2 HDMI ports, but they don't seem to work at the same time (at least when connected to my 2 x 4k 120Hz screens). The other one was that with that same GPU connected to both screens the VRAM didn't clock down and caused the GPU to run hot enough that the fans would actually spin (they have the zero rpm mode when the GPU isn't too warm). This was seemingly fixed in recent drivers, which is what makes me think it's not user error.
I've not had an Nvidia GPU with 2 HDMI ports, but the Nvidia GPUs I've had connected to those two screens were able to clock down the VRAM.
So they may be more likely to hit those odd issues either through odd hardware combinations, frequent hardware changes, odd software configurations, frequent software changes and unfortunate hardware samples. Now that applies to Nvidia as well, but if they're more tolerant of at least some of those things, when you're dealing with them in volume it's probably more noticeable.
That said, the two most recent issues I've had with AMD I don't think were user error either and would likely affect a bunch of people the same way. One was that my 7900 XT has 2 HDMI ports, but they don't seem to work at the same time (at least when connected to my 2 x 4k 120Hz screens). The other one was that with that same GPU connected to both screens the VRAM didn't clock down and caused the GPU to run hot enough that the fans would actually spin (they have the zero rpm mode when the GPU isn't too warm). This was seemingly fixed in recent drivers, which is what makes me think it's not user error.
I've not had an Nvidia GPU with 2 HDMI ports, but the Nvidia GPUs I've had connected to those two screens were able to clock down the VRAM.
Caporegime
That is true about the memory not clocking down with multiscreen on 7000 series GPU's, i think they fixed that?
See this, i had this with my 2070S for two years, reinstalling windows, drivers.... nothing but turning off Hardware Acceleration worked, this is the same issue AMD had 10 years ago and every tech jurno was all over it like a rash. Part of their "bad AMD drivers" theme of the time. Now? Silence...
This video is from this year, they still haven't fixed it...... swapping my 2070S out for the 7800 XT fixed it, never seen that problem since. AMD fixed it 10 years ago.
See this, i had this with my 2070S for two years, reinstalling windows, drivers.... nothing but turning off Hardware Acceleration worked, this is the same issue AMD had 10 years ago and every tech jurno was all over it like a rash. Part of their "bad AMD drivers" theme of the time. Now? Silence...
This video is from this year, they still haven't fixed it...... swapping my 2070S out for the 7800 XT fixed it, never seen that problem since. AMD fixed it 10 years ago.
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