Hiphop fans in here?
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Gangsta Rap lovers/fans.....The Game new album seem to be out now, I will be posting my review in here later. If anyone heard it yet, let me know what you think. Peace.
Gangsta Rap lovers/fans.....The Game new album- Doctor's Advocate seem to be out now, I will be posting my review in here later. If anyone heard it yet, let me know what you think. Peace.
wow...heated discussion...i agree with quite a few points of views...the only way i guess we could end the debate between eminem vs papoose is to do something really simple and obvious and then come to a conclusion...
post their 3 best lyrical songs...i guess that would settle it right?
anyways yeah i love hip hop and im surprised to see so little hip hop threads here but
post their 3 best lyrical songs...i guess that would settle it right?
anyways yeah i love hip hop and im surprised to see so little hip hop threads here but
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Hip Hop. My favorite genre of music in the world today, ill post more later but heres a lowdown on what i like to listen to.
NWA
Eazy E
2Pac
Bonethugs
IceCube
MC Ren
NWA
Eazy E
2Pac
Bonethugs
IceCube
MC Ren
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To be honest... I think the argument between Eminem vs. Papoose is obvious, overall that is, Eminem has obviously achieved so much more, his style is unique and it works. I like Papoose a lot, and i think he's better in some areas.
Also, my personal choice of Hip-Hop would be Gangster Hip-Hop, by that i mean people such as Ice Cube, DMX, MOP etc. Obviously people can interpret "Gangster Hip-Hop" differently but thats how i define it. On top of that people have been saying Hip-Hop has gone commercial etc. Which i agree with totally, but it's not to say i don't like it. You've got to admit that you like some "commercial Hip-Hop" that has come out lately. Chamillionaire? etc.
Also, my personal choice of Hip-Hop would be Gangster Hip-Hop, by that i mean people such as Ice Cube, DMX, MOP etc. Obviously people can interpret "Gangster Hip-Hop" differently but thats how i define it. On top of that people have been saying Hip-Hop has gone commercial etc. Which i agree with totally, but it's not to say i don't like it. You've got to admit that you like some "commercial Hip-Hop" that has come out lately. Chamillionaire? etc.
The Doctor's advocate a mini review.
This album is the latest from The Game after the whole beef with 50 cents and the whole of G- Unit. The album is a million miles better than his last, even though he was dropped by Dr dre (a business decision) he has some of dre beats on the album from earlier work.
The production is as you would expect - Fresh sound and tight beats. Lyrically, the game is still untochable - Raw and speaking his god damm mind. He talks about his beef with 50 and some the drama he went through. One of my favourite track is the one he did with Busta Rhymes, he basically talked directly to Dre - why he didnt listen to him and beefed with 50. (Guys you gotta listen to this track, it is touching. It reaffirms the saying that inside every gangsta is a big heart!)
Also check out the track One Blood.
Im gonna stop here as im still listening again and again to the whole album. So far, am loving it. 8.5/10. Go get it if you love G.Rap.
This album is the latest from The Game after the whole beef with 50 cents and the whole of G- Unit. The album is a million miles better than his last, even though he was dropped by Dr dre (a business decision) he has some of dre beats on the album from earlier work.
The production is as you would expect - Fresh sound and tight beats. Lyrically, the game is still untochable - Raw and speaking his god damm mind. He talks about his beef with 50 and some the drama he went through. One of my favourite track is the one he did with Busta Rhymes, he basically talked directly to Dre - why he didnt listen to him and beefed with 50. (Guys you gotta listen to this track, it is touching. It reaffirms the saying that inside every gangsta is a big heart!)
Also check out the track One Blood.
Im gonna stop here as im still listening again and again to the whole album. So far, am loving it. 8.5/10. Go get it if you love G.Rap.
Mayhs said:
That is almost an impossible way to sort it out. In one of my debate with someone in here, i told them Tupac's hit 'em up is one the most rage-filled track ever made. Guess what, they person went to check it out via reading the lyrics and come back in here rubbishing it and posting another rapper's lyrics as something better.
The truth is, reading an artist lyrics sometimes dont do justice to what we are trying to get across.
Yeah man, good to see people appreciating good taste
before i got here, it was mostly Guitars and punk rock plus plenty talk about robbie williams and Green day... 
Let's keep this alive and discsuss things that are hiphop related.
friddela said:
You know, i like how you come out straight and say what you listen to and how you throw out a question in the end. The truth is i agreewith you but i dont think some on the forum will. Im sure if thisthread is to go by, all those artist you mentioned are "crap artist" and "all talk about the same thing"
Perhaps if you make a list of unknown artist or under ground artist that havent dropped an album in donkey years then you know about hiphop! (perhaps the only reason those artist are "under-ground" is because they are a commercial failure or better still, they are so rubbish that they have a small fan base)..... 
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ElRazur said:You know, i like how you come out straight and say what you listen to and how you throw out a question in the end. The truth is i agreewith you but i dont think some on the forum will. Im sure if thisthread is to go by, all those artist you mentioned are "crap artist" and "all talk about the same thing"
Yup, i found that, it's kind of like people are saying "if you don't like these underground artists then your not a true Hip-Hop fan", Which in my opinion is total ****. I think, personally, that i am a dedicated Hip-Hop fan, i've listened to so many artists from Guru to Skinnyman, and i know what type i like. However, i understand that age obviously comes in to this, and i think it's quite a major part of peoples opinion.
ElRazur said:That is almost an impossible way to sort it out. In one of my debate with someone in here, i told them Tupac's hit 'em up is one the most rage-filled track ever made. Guess what, they person went to check it out via reading the lyrics and come back in here rubbishing it and posting another rapper's lyrics as something better.
The truth is, reading an artist lyrics sometimes dont do justice to what we are trying to get across.
Yeah man, good to see people appreciating good taste
true true...but were arguing their lyrical abilities...but it would be best if you heard the song as well...but reading lyrics i reckon gives you a better understanding of lyrical ability than listening to a song because you can digest the lyrics, disect the lyrics and then judge their potency by themselves or as a verse/song etc.etc. i dont like reading lyrics being a rapper becuase then i get other peoples ideas in my head when im rhyming but when you listen to a song without the lyrics it makes much more of an impact...when you read the lyrics you realise theyre not as good...
when it comes to diss songs its more than lyricism thats why you have to listen to the song to get a grasp of the diss but thats a whole 'nother debate
friddela said:
true...its just many people believe that to be a true hip hop fans you need to know the roots of hip hop or the realness of hip hop because of the type of evolutionary music it is...
a few years back i wouldve called myself a hip hop guru and i listened to mainstream and jay-z /pac/biggie and some nas...but then i realised my foolishness...
now even though i know so much more and listen to old school hip hop to mainstream and underground when people say they are true hip hop fans when they listen to 50 cent and the game its kind of annoying but i can see their point of view, to them its hip hop and theyre fans of that type of hip hop so they are true hip hop fans
hip hop is a culture and i believe its roots and history need to be known to progress and create good hip hop but thats where all the people are going wrong now...hip hop has become so commercialised, its a good and a bad thing, but its having a negative affect on hip hop right now becuase people dont appreciate true hip hop becuase theyre possessed by the commercial market and not the music and the artistry of hip hop
another thing i get annoyed with is when people who dont listen to hip hop dont appreciate it as real music becuase they say its using a computer, no instruments and their lyrics are rubbish...but thats another debate
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The thing with hip hop, everyone wants to be the biggest hip hop fan out there.
Last week i went to see Gnarls Barkley in concert, purely so i could see Dangermouse in the flesh, even though he didnt have any decks with him.
Ive been listening to hip hop for 20 years come next year, i love it, i love to talk about it, i love to listen to it, i love to harp on that the music now isnt as good as it used to be, although thats not strictly true.
There was a time when i was able to buy every single new hip hop CD that came out, as a result, i have over a thousand cd's in my collection, of which about 990 are pure hip hop. (thats not to mention the pre cd vinyl). Its diluted now, theres still as much good hip hop out there, its just a bit harder to find.
This week I bought the Q-Unique album (from Uncle Howies stable), the Flavor Flav album, Green Lantern's throwback classics (even tho i own every track on it). True hip hop fans never tire.
Last week i went to see Gnarls Barkley in concert, purely so i could see Dangermouse in the flesh, even though he didnt have any decks with him.
Ive been listening to hip hop for 20 years come next year, i love it, i love to talk about it, i love to listen to it, i love to harp on that the music now isnt as good as it used to be, although thats not strictly true.
There was a time when i was able to buy every single new hip hop CD that came out, as a result, i have over a thousand cd's in my collection, of which about 990 are pure hip hop. (thats not to mention the pre cd vinyl). Its diluted now, theres still as much good hip hop out there, its just a bit harder to find.
This week I bought the Q-Unique album (from Uncle Howies stable), the Flavor Flav album, Green Lantern's throwback classics (even tho i own every track on it). True hip hop fans never tire.
Mayhs said:
So you spit too, cool! We are slowing ghettonising OcUk
Check out the archive thread section for Freestyle thread - An enjoyable read if you have the time. The thread shows differences in idea of what rap is and what os a gppd lyric and what not.....worth a read.Edit
Here's the Link
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17565660
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you lot are all like Jazz fans. it's quite clear that you're all into different types of hip hop, yet you still argue about who is the best. Eminem may have achieved a lot, and i love a few tracks that he's done, but he's nowhere near consistent enough to rate in my view. yeah, he's white, but that's got nothing to do with it, he obviously has the ability to write, which is what's important, but he just doesn't push my buttons with the music he makes. it seems that his record company's pushing him to produce more and more parodies, he's actually beginning to parody himself, and for me, that's how he's sold out. he has no soul anymore, and if y'ain't got no soul, then your music won't.
check out Jedi Mind's new album (servants in heaven, kings in hell, or something like that), that's raw emotion on that album; even though they may well be making music to make money, they're not letting it dilute the soul and emotion that drives the music. the only thing that gets on my nerves (but it didn't until someone pointed it out to me!) was that vinnie seems to say his name quite a bit, and that's kinda annoying.
i can't remember who it was (only skimmed the thread because it's full of petty squabbling) that said it, but someone was going on about collaborations, and how fiddy has collaborated with Mobb Deep or something, and therefore Deep loses credibility. that's just bs, and whoever's talking crap like that really needs to reassess the reason they even listen to hip hop in the first place. been listening to Hi-Tek's "The Chip" for the last few days, and there's collaborations on there with the game - does that make Hi-Tek any less credible, because the game is a big artist? i don't think it does.
again, i can't remember who it was, but someone was saying that there's no decent hip hop about anymore, and it'll be a defunct genre in the future. again, this is total bs because we all know that hip hop isn't the only genre of music that's almost full of crap. in fact, ever genre is full of artists that are forefeiting artistic talent in search of money and fame. this is something you just have to deal with. true fans of any genre will never abandon it just because whoever's in the limelight is totally rubbish, because it's always been that way. hip hop has fiddy, and eminem, and the game; rock has the arctic monkeys, the killers, franz ferdinand; the list goes on (don't bother arguing over artists that i choose to put in those categories, that's my perogative because it's my taste and i couldn't give 2 what yours is). as long as we have artists like The Roots, Roots Manuva, Ugly Duckling, Jedi Mind, RJD2, Blueprint, Aceyalone, Deltron, Common, Cage, Ill Bill, J5, MF Doom, Micranots, Talib, Mos Def, Skitz, DJ Format, Phi Life Cypher, Soul Position and whoever you add to that list, people will always be inspired to make great music of any genre and we'll never be without it, as long as we don't mind looking for it, and not settling for the crap that we know we don't have to.
Also, Mayhs, get over yourself - that was a joke thread.
check out Jedi Mind's new album (servants in heaven, kings in hell, or something like that), that's raw emotion on that album; even though they may well be making music to make money, they're not letting it dilute the soul and emotion that drives the music. the only thing that gets on my nerves (but it didn't until someone pointed it out to me!) was that vinnie seems to say his name quite a bit, and that's kinda annoying.
i can't remember who it was (only skimmed the thread because it's full of petty squabbling) that said it, but someone was going on about collaborations, and how fiddy has collaborated with Mobb Deep or something, and therefore Deep loses credibility. that's just bs, and whoever's talking crap like that really needs to reassess the reason they even listen to hip hop in the first place. been listening to Hi-Tek's "The Chip" for the last few days, and there's collaborations on there with the game - does that make Hi-Tek any less credible, because the game is a big artist? i don't think it does.
again, i can't remember who it was, but someone was saying that there's no decent hip hop about anymore, and it'll be a defunct genre in the future. again, this is total bs because we all know that hip hop isn't the only genre of music that's almost full of crap. in fact, ever genre is full of artists that are forefeiting artistic talent in search of money and fame. this is something you just have to deal with. true fans of any genre will never abandon it just because whoever's in the limelight is totally rubbish, because it's always been that way. hip hop has fiddy, and eminem, and the game; rock has the arctic monkeys, the killers, franz ferdinand; the list goes on (don't bother arguing over artists that i choose to put in those categories, that's my perogative because it's my taste and i couldn't give 2 what yours is). as long as we have artists like The Roots, Roots Manuva, Ugly Duckling, Jedi Mind, RJD2, Blueprint, Aceyalone, Deltron, Common, Cage, Ill Bill, J5, MF Doom, Micranots, Talib, Mos Def, Skitz, DJ Format, Phi Life Cypher, Soul Position and whoever you add to that list, people will always be inspired to make great music of any genre and we'll never be without it, as long as we don't mind looking for it, and not settling for the crap that we know we don't have to.
Also, Mayhs, get over yourself - that was a joke thread.
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Having listened to Doctor's Advocate last night, I think its one of the best hiphop releases this year, especially from the "Westcoast Gangsta" subgenre.
Production is very good, and Game sounds a lot more confident of himself on the mic.
Ice Cube also made a strong set after a long hiatus from hiphop.
Looking forward to Snoop's Blue Carpet Treatment, especially if the Dre partnership come to fruition on it.
In contrast, Ghost's Fishscale was a major disappointment, loads of tracks with rehashed instrumentals, i.e. MF Doom.
Roots' Game Theory was also excellent.
Production is very good, and Game sounds a lot more confident of himself on the mic.
Ice Cube also made a strong set after a long hiatus from hiphop.
Looking forward to Snoop's Blue Carpet Treatment, especially if the Dre partnership come to fruition on it.
In contrast, Ghost's Fishscale was a major disappointment, loads of tracks with rehashed instrumentals, i.e. MF Doom.
Roots' Game Theory was also excellent.
HamZilla said:
True say man! I swear to god, i wouldnt argue with him when he said "Im pac, big, Cube and Nas"
Im happy for this guy man, after all the drama with 50, g-unit and those who wanna see him down. Im loving One blood (it's ok), Wouldnt get too far and the one produced by Scott torch. I also love the one he did with Busta Rhymes...in fact i love all the tracks.
Sic said:
Im sorry but Mobb deep album last album was a flop. To date that was their worst album ever, their collaboration with 50 was a major factor on top of that one of them put on a fake Southern accent in that popular single from the album....There street cred has taken a dent.
This is just the way it is in hiphop. For example, Xzibit had a strong underground following but since he started doing pimp my ride, people think he's gone commercial and sort of sold out! Again his album didnt sell much either. Look at ice cube too (an exception though) people snipe at him for "going holywood" and rumour start coming up about how he cant even rap well no more - He proved them wrong! His latest album - Laugh now cry later is imo a classic or almost a classic.