Hiphop fans in here?

Eliot · 22 Jul 2006 at 00:12

Kronologic said:
I have stopped listening to hip-hop because imo its a tired genre and there are no current artists that make you stand up and listen.

correction, theres no REAL famous good stuff, 50 cent etc is ****ing crap but common is good,

SexyGreyFox · 22 Jul 2006 at 11:20

I've heard a rumour that Robbie's next single is rapping all the way through and he shows Eminem where to get off.

not

ironman · 22 Jul 2006 at 22:47

ElRazur said:
Your opinnion but i still dont agree, have you been to his rave, do you see how the blacks, whites and asians show him love? If is what you think he is how come he makes the top Dj poll every year? There's more reason to love him than hate him.

I've been to his raves, mostly blacks n asian crowd and people were ripping him hard. Westwood definitely isn't liked as much as you think he is

I listen to a variety of hip hop depending on what mood i'm in. I like the classic westcoast stuff from dre, nate dogg, ice cube, nwa, warren g (sounds are well put together, some lyrics are easy going) and then I like the more low key stuff like kweli, common, mos def (a lot more thought provoking, true to it's origins).

Not sure why garage is being discussed with hip hop, but as that's ok i'll express my love for dancehall

Nothing gets you going in a club than a nice dose of dancehall.

For UK hip hop, check out Phi Life Cypher, amazing lyricists.

Ricochet J · 22 Jul 2006 at 22:52

I love Hip Hop. Also, whilst we're on the topic of Urban, RnB, Grime (oh yeh, that's right. Grime! Dizzee Rascal

) and all sorts of urban genres.

Infact, most of my music on my computer is urban. But Hip Hop is the art of music.

Edit: Before any one says anything. 50 Cent is a piece of crap. Crap music, crap attitude, crap style. (I mean WTF is "Get Rich or Die Trying?" :confused:

it's "Get Rich or Claim Benefits" n00b)

ElRazur · 23 Jul 2006 at 00:04

So anyone listen to Westwood Rapshow on radio 1? :cool:

DanTheMan · 23 Jul 2006 at 00:08

ElRazur said:
So anyone listen to Westwood Rapshow on radio 1?

I would, if it wasn't presented by Westwood

. The man is an ****.

I listen to BBC 1xtra quite a lot for some decent british music but mainly just listen to CD's and such.

icehot · 23 Jul 2006 at 08:04

Im a massive massive Tupac Shakur fan, his music simply brilliant and his personality i can totally relate too.

Im in to all hip hop if its real, anything commercial and is like "hey look at me i got lots of cash and b****s im the biggest baddest guy ever" can just **** off, that isnt hip hop, thats arrogance.

Soulja · 23 Jul 2006 at 09:53

Exactly^ 50 cent is the biggest example, 1st album was good after that he was just saying the same bs in every song.hip hop/rap has been dead for along time, you don't need skills to be a rapper you just need a gimmick,(been shot,gang banger etc....) i hate to see all these underground rappers getting no exposure because they haven't got a gimmick or there not signed to shady/g-unit/aftermath. i know there are a few rappers who aren't gimmicky such as common,gangstarr etc... but look at the units they move, they can't touch 50 or eminem

like 2pac said 'ain't nothin like the old skool' thats when there was good beats,good lyricists like in the 80's 90's when rap was raw, big daddy kane,krs-one,ice-t,tupac,ll cool j etc....they was people with real skills.

Also does anybody find it annoying when a producer has to say there name on every track they do? j.d, jazze pha etc... :mad:

hope this makes a bit of sense, i'm tired

HamZilla · 23 Jul 2006 at 15:06

There's many other alternatives to Westwood if you want to listen to quality hiphop.

DJs MK, Shortee Blitz & Big Ted, on Kiss,
DJ 279 on Choice FM,
Dan Greenpeace on XFM

ElRazur · 23 Jul 2006 at 21:02

Soulja said:
Also does anybody find it annoying when a producer has to say there name on every track they do? j.d, jazze pha etc...

hope this makes a bit of sense, i'm tired

Iirc, puff daddy statrted that trend.....part of the reason Suge Knight attacked him verbally during the source award in the 90s.

I think the whole producer things is changed, before you only see their names at the back of the album in the credit section.....I guess it is all down to the producers letting people know they are resposible for the track and you can buy their services with the right price...

HamZilla · 24 Jul 2006 at 11:39

Up to the point that Puffy became vocal/visual on his artists tracks e.g. Biggie, Craig Mack, Total, Mase, etc, only hardcore heads really were aware of who produced what.

Ironically Puffy, I believe is more of an arranger/ideas than a true technical producer, e.g. Premier, Pete Rock, Beatnuts.

Since then, beats have become more important to the majority of listeners than what the rappers are actually saying.

Up to the late 90's, wack rappers didnt stand a chance, despite high production values, sure the odd one or two would slip through. Since 97/98 however it has gradually become amost reversal of that. In the sense you have can good beats but the rappers are not saying anything of lyrical value. E.g. Nelly, G unit, dipset, etc.

EYEREX · 24 Jul 2006 at 11:50

Hip hop died in the late 90's when it became pop hop, if you can find some old school hip hop like "just ice" "steady B" and the like you will hear how good it once was

ElRazur · 24 Jul 2006 at 12:34

HamZilla said:
Up to the late 90's, wack rappers didnt stand a chance, despite high production values, sure the odd one or two would slip through. Since 97/98 however it has gradually become amost reversal of that. In the sense you have can good beats but the rappers are not saying anything of lyrical value. E.g. Nelly, G unit, dipset, etc.

That is so true, Nas said this "put a bitch on a hot back track and he would go platinum"

The Game aslo atestify to that - "How can i not sell when Dre makes my beat"

Hiphop in a lot of ways is being runned by this big record label companies, Can you imagine the problem between Nelly and KRS One. I mean who is nelly (lyrically) to stand up to Krs one? He dosent stand a chance. During the time of their Beef, KRS one got on a radio station and asked hiphop fan to boycott nelly's album and let him know we aint all fooled by the light he invented......Guess what the following week, Nelly was on that particular station promoting his album!

You have to see the bigger picture here - Krs = Hiphop, Private record label without any major backing. Nelly = Plenty of fans, major record label backing.......That says it all really, Needless to say Nelly's album (sweat suit) sold 4million copies or so while KRS managed 75 000 copies. What im trying to say here is this - The record labels have messed up the hiphop scene that you dont exactly require talent these days to sell millions of copies.

Imo it is a matter of time, things are set to change but im afraid it wont be for a long time when you average cd buyer thinks Eminem is the best rapper ever and people like nelly are talented artist......God help us.

Sutters · 24 Jul 2006 at 14:07

The stuff you hear on the radio and see on the tv, i.e 50 cent et al is no longer hiphop, it's just bad pop music pretending to be hiphop. Infact maybe they should make a new genre and called it pophop or blinghop.

My friend who is into hiphop in a big way admits that now it's all about the beats rather than the lyrical content. Im not sure if the backlash has really begun against this kind of stuff, as where I live we are rather out of it, although last time I went to the nearest city (bristol) I did notice all the kids were not dressed in the latest fubu tracksuits & tacky gold, but rather in emoish/band kinda gear.

I did like hiphop myself in the early nineties, stuff like nas's illmatic and hieroglyphics, but somwhere after that it all went wrong and now the radio or tv gets turned over asap if anything remotely hiphop related comes on.

Soulja · 24 Jul 2006 at 14:47

ElRazur said:
Iirc, puff daddy statrted that trend.....part of the reason Suge Knight attacked him verbally during the source award in the 90s.

I think the whole producer things is changed, before you only see their names at the back of the album in the credit section.....I guess it is all down to the producers letting people know they are resposible for the track and you can buy their services with the right price...

You remember correctly, i must admit diddy is the worst out of the lot

westie17 · 24 Jul 2006 at 21:36

This is what Sir-mix-a lot has to say about Hip hop atm:

[font=verdana,trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]"Most cats that rap, they rap about bling bling, and just keep doing it. And, I mean, I cant knock it, since I was the king of it at one time, but that is why I don't like hip-hop these days . It's all about bling bling and really doesn't have substance," he says with dissappointment.
[/font][font=verdana,trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]"I was addicted to the material possessions," he continues. "I loved the big cars, the MTV cribs, and showing it all off. Im over it now, though. Ive learned there is so much more than that to life. The industry is dying and I cant sit around and wait for it to die.
[/font][font=verdana,trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]
Mix now stays after every show to sign autographs, allows the fans to get up on stage and interact with him, and forges his previous ritual of playing a show, taking girls back to his hotel, and calling it a night, making sure that every fan leaves the venue feeling their money was well-spent and that they got interact with Mix as much as they wanted. He also prefers smaller, more intimate venues compared to the larger, more detached venues that keep him separated from his fans.[/font]

[font=verdana,trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]But, Mix, though a hip-hop musician, still feels there is a lot lacking in hip-hop these days, and despite his efforts to try and change the genre, knows he can't do it alone. That is why in recent years he has gravitated to hard rock more and more, going so far as to call himself a hard rock fan, moreso than he is a hip-hop fan.

[/font][font=verdana,trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]"In 1993 I was watching the Grammys. Metallica was performing. Seeing them made me a rock fan and Ive been one ever since," he tells me without hesitation. "Its all about the groove. Its about solid tracks and less bling bling. Rap needs to go there, and I think its going there. Rap is moving away from that now, I think. Little by little."[/font]

[font=verdana,trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]"I was at a show in Seattle, a Disturbed show. They busted into their Sickness song and the crowd went wild. Then some kid in a wheel chair started to crowd surf. That is real! Thats why I love hard rock so much," he continues. "Its real. Hip-hop isnt like that. Its too beautiful, and just doesnt seem real.[/font]

Source:http://www.inmusicwetrust.com/articles/63h07.html

ElRazur · 26 Jul 2006 at 08:31

To some extent i see and agree with what he is saying but most wil simply argue that he is dying off career wise, less fan base and he has to sort of reinvent his style to make more cheddar.....

ElRazur · 26 Jul 2006 at 18:51

Akon vs Nate Dogg

Are this two comparable? if yes, who is better?

DanTheMan · 26 Jul 2006 at 22:26

Nate dogg = King of the chorus. Comes from a time when G-Funk was in a class of its own in rap and has featured on some of the best rap-funk tunes ever.

Akon = Mass produced with an annoying voice and who can't make a song without telling us how hard it is for him to get a job because he is an ex-con.

HamZilla · 26 Jul 2006 at 22:43

DanTheMan said:
Nate dogg = King of the chorus. Comes from a time when G-Funk was in a class of its own in rap and has featured on some of the best rap-funk tunes ever.

Akon = Mass produced with an annoying and who can't make a song without telling us how hard it is for him to get a job because he is an ex-con.

Quoted for truth (never thought I would use that phrase).

Nate > vs *