how much better is the 7970 over the 670?

[psychodil]

Don't you like the new nzxt phantom cases.? Drop dead gorgeous to me

 

[weehamish]

He did recommend this

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-022-NX&groupid=2362&catid=35&subcat=

But i dunno i think they are not on the same level as the others.

 

[Rusty0611]

Im getting it all in for the same price so i may aswell go 7970, ill see how much hell drop the price for a 7950.

Anyways rusty ive been looking at them cases, both seem nice and the HAF actually looks ok too what do you think?

Im sure i wouldnt need to OC it past stock voltages anyways?

Like i said though its hard to save when getting a PC with these parts and it all built with 2 years collect and return, honestly try it the Fortress case is over £200! I have thought about bit by bit but parts will be from everywhere its just not worth it even if saving £50 like i said.

Mate I'm going to have to be completely blunt here so apologies in advance if you're going to be offended. You're getting completely lost with regards to what these pre built PCs are actually worth. Do you honestly think a company can give you a 7970 for the same price as a 7950 without making money elsewhere on the build?

You aren't saving money by having it pre built. The way it is being shown to you might make you think you are but quite simply you aren't. I put together a build equivalent to the one you were looking at for like £800-850...

I can't paste it as I don't have the plug in installed at work but let me be clear that for someone who is willing and able to put together their own machine you can save an absolute tonne of money by:

a) shopping around
b) looking for deals if you're not fussed about buying the parts all at once
c) doing it all yourself

You're covered by DSR/warranty anyway on anything you buy so it's not like you're left out in the open by doing it.

To quantify the savings... as I said, you're looking at around £200-300 saving for an equivalent specced build if you take your time. Anything up to £200 for just buying parts individually.

I have no problem if you just don't want to or don't feel capable of building one yourself but to suggest that you're getting better value for money from having it pre-built is just incorrect.

Sorry

 

[weehamish]

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And honestly its not cheaper, i know people are trying to help but thats the cheapest prices around and its just not cheaper lol.

Even if £50 cheaper like i said i wouldnt bother for the cover im getting. Save me £300 quid with that fortress case and a 7970. Impossable tbh.

Im also getting extra dscount because ive shopped there before and free express build with delivery so its kinda hard to find any better.

Ive price matched everything and no one comes near to their prices.

Like i said if you can build one then just link the basket, you dont need addon just link the page and i will check it out

I know they need make a profit and the only way they are is because they buy in wholesale thats the only way. They are not charging nowhere near OCUK prices and im sorry but i still think £130 to build a PC is a bit much. I dont care if its stressed tested for 8 hours everywhere does that and its not like you have to wait around for 8 hours you just go do what youd do normally. They build PCs all the time so i doubt it would take more then 1 hour to fix it all up, probs more time to open all the boxes lol.

Also i picked that ASUS 7970 because of the silent fan, is it worth the extra for the MSI LTG? What clocks will i be to achieve on locked voltages?

 

[tommybhoy]

YOUR BASKET
1 x HIS HD 7950 IceQ BOOST 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (H795QC3G2M) with FREE FARCRY3, Hitman Absolution, Sleeping Dogs & 20% off MOH Warfighter PC Games £239.99
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £173.99
1 x Samsung 256GB SSD 830 Notebook/Apple Series SATA 6Gb/s KIT with Norton Ghost - (MZ-7PC256N/EU) £149.99
1 x MSI Z77A-GD55 Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £129.95
1 x Antec P280 Super Midi Tower Case - Gun Metal Black £84.98
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) £71.99
1 x Corsair Builder Series CX 750W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply (CP-9020015-UK) £69.98
1 x LG CH10LS28 BD-ROM 10x BluRay ROM / DVDRW SATA-II Optical Drive - Black (Retail) £52.99
1 x Corsair Vengeance RED 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-15000C9 1866MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9R) £43.99
1 x **B Grade** Noctua NH-D14-2011 Dual Radiator CPU Cooler with PWM Fans (Socket LGA2011) £41.98
Total : £1,076.33 (includes shipping : £13.75).



Note the Psu isn't modular, but the P280 has acres of room to hide the cables behind the MB.

But, with OcUK's current pricing model, I wouldn't buy everything from here at the moment.

 

[Rusty0611]

If you're matching exact components you're kind of missing the point.

I've got one in my basket for £950 all in. Pretty similar to Tommy's and with options to save money further if necessary.

 

[weehamish]

Ok thats fine but Bad case £120 cheaper, i can get that pc for 1k with a none B grade heatsink and a 670.

The SSD is also not as good as the other one.

Yeah i did that build on pcpartchecker and its cheaper.

Also thats not even £50 saving and if you want OCUK to build its £130, build it myself save £130 still not worth it lol?

 

[weehamish]

If you're matching exact components you're kind of missing the point.

Well i can get the full pc for £1k without the case i want, my point is i dont want a crap case and its noway to get it cheaper, unless you steal it lol.

If i was going all weak parts im sure i could save a fortune but im going decent parts. if i pick a weaker board it saves £50 but i doubt ill get as good overclocking.

Weaker card i could save £100 but hes putting that it anyways so i wont?

Weaker case i could save £150

Weaker SSD £100

I could whittle it down to £650 quid but then the £350 extra is worth it because its a big step up.

 

[Rusty0611]

Ok thats fine but Bad case £120 cheaper, i can get that pc for 1k with a none B grade heatsink and a 670.

The SSD is also not as good as the other one.

Yeah i did that build on pcpartchecker and its cheaper.

Also thats not even £50 saving and if you want OCUK to build its £130, build it myself save £130 still not worth it lol?

I think you're beyond help here . You've got it in your head that it's cheaper to have it pre built when in all of your threads loads of people are telling you the complete opposite.

You're saying the SSD isn't as good - why? You're saying the case isn't as good - why? You're saying the motherboard isn't as good - why? You're saying this isn't as good as that - why? Do you know about the parts you're comparing or are you just looking at price???

You're either going to realise it or you aren't going to which comes down to if you want to waste money or not waste money.

I'm not going to convince you any further but if everyone was telling me I was wrong I would at least listen. You haven't done proper research by the looks of it.

 

[psychodil]

I meant this case weehamish:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-113-NX&groupid=2362&catid=35&subcat=

Where do you live by the way?

 

[d_brennen]

Just buy something already

You want 2 year collect and return and bemoan paying for it

 

[psychodil]

Can you list the spec of the PC that you are interested in please? So we can make a comparison?

 

[tommybhoy]

If you're matching exact components you're kind of missing the point.

I've got one in my basket for £950 all in. Pretty similar to Tommy's and with options to save money further if necessary.

Yes, I can go cheaper too, it was a balance, due to forum rules, I won't say any more.

@weehamish, if you think the Force 3 is better than the 830, then go for it, but I can assure you the 830 is better in every way-least being, stability, you won't have to take the chance of maybe having to unplug the 830 every other day as it doesn't suffer that problem.

If the SSD is for an OS drive, then you only need a 128Gb at most too.

The P280 is better than the 600T as well.

Good luck with your build.

 

[tommybhoy]

Can you list the spec of the PC that you are interested in please? So we can make a comparison?

This is my system so far

Corsair Graphite 600T Midi Tower Case in Silver
Intel Core i5 3570K Processor Overclocked to up to 4.7GHz Maybe a i73770k?
Noctua NH-D14 Ultimate Performance Quiet CPU Cooler
Asus P8Z77-V Motherboard
8GB PC3-10666 1333MHz DDR3 Memory (2 x 4GB sticks) Not sure if faster ram would be better?
Gainward GeForce GTX 670 2048MB Graphics Card Maybe a 7970? And a different brand.
240GB Corsair Force 3 Solid State Drive
2000GB 7200RPM Hard Disk - 6Gbps
LG Blu-Ray ROM / DVD-RW Combi Drive (Blu-ray playback software supplied for Windows 7 only)
Corsair CX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified PSU
£1050

What would you change?

That's what I based it on psy.

 

[Gregster]

I just did the build that I made on the thread in GH and it came out at £1233.70 and this does not include postage...Pick up only. I changed the CPU cooler (not shown on that competitor site).

 

[Gregster]

Yes, I can go cheaper too, it was a balance, due to forum rules, I won't say any more.

@weehamish, if you think the Force 3 is better than the 830, then go for it, but I can assure you the 830 is better in every way-least being, stability, you won't have to take the chance of maybe having to unplug the 830 every other day as it doesn't suffer that problem.

If the SSD is for an OS drive, then you only need a 128Gb at most too.

The P280 is better than the 600T as well.

Good luck with your build.

I have a force series 3 and it is excellent. Never caused me an issue

 

[psychodil]

^^ Thankyou

 

[weehamish]

I meant this case weehamish:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-113-NX&groupid=2362&catid=35&subcat=

Where do you live by the way?

Yes i like that case its nice I live in Newcastle.

Well i can see your specs but honestly its not really a saving is it?

How come the SSD i chose is bad? It has great reviews, better then the samsung, and greg said he has no issues?

The pc youve specced is nearly the same with no saving really, so i dunno how people are saying ill save £300 when that is not even £50.

Im not saying its a bad PC i bet they perform almost the same but it has a weaker case which is why my PC is getting bumped past the 1k mark to start with.

Rusty he made a PC for £1070 thats not really cheaper if im not gonna save £300 why bother? I love what you guys are doing and im matching each spec your putting together and they are all decent but the case is the mainm price breaker here.

BTW what is GH?

 

[tommybhoy]

Never caused me an issue

Lucky ****, it has a known problem in certain configs to 'disappear', there was a firmware update, but it done nothing in my rig, it still ****** off every other day, resulting in me clambering under my table to unplug both the sata/power in order for it to 're-appear'.

My solution was to change it to M4 and use the Force 3 for games, but although nowhere near as bad, it still went awol from time to time.

The M4 started crashing the system with a 7 month bug as well(that was kept low key by Crucial-they could have sent out bulletins or something tbh), resulting in me buying a Sabertooth as I foolishly never tested the SSD, the only part I never tested.

It was sorted with a firmware update, but I won't get another Corsair or Crucial in a hurry because of the bad taste they left in my mouth.

 

[Rusty0611]

Rusty he made a PC for £1070 thats not really cheaper if im not gonna save £300 why bother? I love what you guys are doing and im matching each spec your putting together and they are all decent but the case is the main price breaker here.

Try looking around.... The large savings will come from waiting for deals and buying over time.

I could get you a £850 PC with an i5/7950 no problem right now. OcUK aren't that cheap so you'll just have to take my word for it. If you're asking to make a £300 saving on the same parts then you are still missing the point.... there are other parts which are just as good for less money some are even better than their more expensive counterparts.

If you don't understand if the more expensive parts are worth then extra outlay then I suggest you ask them to spec you a PC in General Hardware (GH) with an i5/7950 baseline at £800, £1000 and £1200 and see what they come up with.

I can do the same for £900-950 on here. If you want a particular case for £200 then as I said you need to arrange the order of your priorities out as there's cases with just as good air flow for £100 less. You're paying for aesthetics essentially which is fine on an unlimited budget but as you're not it makes more sense to make a sacrifice on the aesthetics than it does the actual hardware.