HP LP2475w, IPS 24" Official Thread! (Now Available from OcUK)

builder22 said:
so are u sending this HP monitor back ?
can sorta see what you mean about the colours on this forum, look more like pastel colours than on the hazro ?
are games colour managed ? ive only played a little but seemed ok, although my 1st thoughts were it didnt look as stunning as the hazro.....was hoping it was just settings needing played with though, the HP display assistant calibration thing helped make it look better
I dot have theh azro side by sie with it tho so hard to tell
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Games don't typically have a problem with wide gamut displays as the colours in them tend to be exaggerated anyway.
 
builder22 said:
so are u sending this HP monitor back ?
can sorta see what you mean about the colours on this forum, look more like pastel colours than on the hazro ?
are games colour managed ? ive only played a little but seemed ok, although my 1st thoughts were it didnt look as stunning as the hazro.....was hoping it was just settings needing played with though, the HP display assistant calibration thing helped make it look better
I dot have theh azro side by sie with it tho so hard to tell
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It’s being picked up tomorrow for a refund yep. It’s a shame because I don’t want to have to use the HP software to allow compensation as I hardware calibrate so cannot have a 3rd party app changing colours as that defeats the objective of calibration for my uses!

I can say though if the HP was a standard gamut display then it would be better than the Hazro for black depth and contrast. Colour accuracy after calibration is the same for both giving an average of 0.3dE and performance is also pretty much the same for games and movies. The stand is quite big but very nice ergonomically. I’m going to have to look into the desk arms posted above and see how much they cost now for my Hazro!

I don’t think most people will notice immediately than web browsing colours have taken a shft for the paler shade unless they’ve been actively cycling between proofed and unproofed colours in apps like Photoshop etc. It’s particularly bad when you’re viewing someone’s photo and it looks like they’ve done bad editing on it when in fact it’s perfectly fine under sRGB!

The sRGB mode in the HP display is also very confusing, after enabling it and calibrating with this mode and running a calibration test the results still showed 92% colour gamut range which was bizarre since it “should” be in sRGB range not Adobe RGB which would explain why in sRGB mode the colours were still faded browsing the web.
 
I shouldn't be! you should try it and see what you think, I've tried all the good brands now and think even with the issues the Hazro has it is just better suited for multiple tasks now. I won't be changing my mind again i don't think and won't be going wide gamut again either so it looks like I will be on this 24" for some time!

I just hope their next screens that have onboard LUT are not wide gamut or at the least have an sRGB mode that actually displays SRGB colours and not the full adobeRGB range the HP does!
 
Only a small point I know but if the current source machine is rebooted does the input automatically switch to another connect source?

I would like to be able to reboot without then having to navigate back to the rebooted source i.e. I would like to have it never change input without my pressing a button.
 
dannii said:
Only a small point I know but if the current source machine is rebooted does the input automatically switch to another connect source?

I would like to be able to reboot without then having to navigate back to the rebooted source i.e. I would like to have it never change input without my pressing a button.
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It has an auto-select for the input source option.

mrk said:
It’s being picked up tomorrow for a refund yep. It’s a shame because I don’t want to have to use the HP software to allow compensation as I hardware calibrate so cannot have a 3rd party app changing colours as that defeats the objective of calibration for my uses!
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Are you sure it's not just some screwy conflict between the I1 lut loader, the HP assistant and colour-managed apps? If you have a graphics card lut profile loaded, surely if you then run a colour managed app the colours will be incorrect as they'll be corrected twice? :confused:
 
Nope it's not a conflict of sorts it's more of how wide gamut displays standard gamut, it displays it with extra saturation especially visible in red shades when colour management in the application is disabled. When it is enabled the colours are more muted on colours that don't specify a wide gamut profile so srgb colours appear muted on anything in your web browser for example.

I've tested this out with and without the LUT being loaded by the loader, default settings just adjusting the OSD to a comfortable level exhibits similar problems when switching between proof mode and unproofed mode in both photoshop/firefox etc. there isn't a consistancy in colour shading between modes.

You have to have either wide gamut view which is fine for profiled content but not good for srgb because they appear oversaturate or muted or uncalibrated which gives a mixed bag on profiled content !

This kind of confirms to me that a wide gamut screen belongs in a business/work environment only and is not ideally suited to multitasking between different media.


However if the sRGB colour mode on the HP worked as it should then this issue would be solved since you could just use it in sRGB mode and still benefit from the same accurate colours within the standard gamut but unfortunately even in sRGB the gamut remains far beyond standard gamut so you in this mode the colour variation is different yet again!
 
mrk said:
Nope it's not a conflict of sorts it's more of how wide gamut displays standard gamut, it displays it with extra saturation especially visible in red shades when colour management in the application is disabled. When it is enabled the colours are more muted on colours that don't specify a wide gamut profile so srgb colours appear muted on anything in your web browser for example.

I've tested this out with and without the LUT being loaded by the loader, default settings just adjusting the OSD to a comfortable level exhibits similar problems when switching between proof mode and unproofed mode in both photoshop/firefox etc. there isn't a consistancy in colour shading between modes.

You have to have either wide gamut view which is fine for profiled content but not good for srgb because they appear oversaturate or muted or uncalibrated which gives a mixed bag on profiled content !

This kind of confirms to me that a wide gamut screen belongs in a business/work environment only and is not ideally suited to multitasking between different media.


However if the sRGB colour mode on the HP worked as it should then this issue would be solved since you could just use it in sRGB mode and still benefit from the same accurate colours within the standard gamut but unfortunately even in sRGB the gamut remains far beyond standard gamut so you in this mode the colour variation is different yet again!
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mrk, if you are not using any profiled content and just sRGB colored objects and programs could you get the color accuracy and saturation to a point close to the Hazro for just sRGB, or is there no way to avoid all of the color variation you described?

Like you I'll need to make a decision between the Hazro and the HP, and since my Hazro has all the problems mentioned it is going back for a RTB fix and I want the HP to be at least a good in-between.
 
I found no way to tell the monitor to just display an sRGB gamut range, in the sRGB colour mode in the OSD it still displayed the full wide gamut range as seen by my colorimeter and BlueEye software.
 
Damn mrk I thought I finally foound the screen for me.
I greatly value your opinion.

I don't understand how colors can look both oversaturated and washed out :confused:

I would be using the screen in non colormanaged appz, like Ie7 + winxp

I don't mind if colors look oversaturated that's just cool, but I hate washed out.

Any posibility for a picture of Hazro vs. HP showing OcUK forum in Ie7 ?

If you already sent the Hazro back. Then just a picture of OcUK forum in Ie7 vs. Firefox ?

I don't understand why Baddass didn't catch this ?

In your pictures, mrk I actually find the HP much more appealing
 
I don't understand how colors can look both oversaturated and washed out :confused:
- As I understood it, it’s the monitor filling its capable 92% range using a non 92% gamut image so colours appear muted because it’s not correctly profiled to fill the entire range or something to that effect.

I would be using the screen in non colormanaged appz, like Ie7 + winxp
- If you’re not doing any colour managed work then you may not notice much difference but when browsing the web you will encounter almost regularly content that looks washed out – this is the wide gamut displaying standard gamut across its available range I think hence why the colour gamut gets spread across the 92% range because there’s no profile telling the display what colours to use beyond sRGB (I think this is how it’s working anyway).

I don't mind if colors look oversaturated that's just cool, but I hate washed out.
- If you’re viewing an image that has a adobeRGB profile attached to it for example but are viewing it in a web browser or a non colour managed application then that image will look washed out. If you loaded that image in Photoshop for example and went into proof view you would see it’s entire colour range nicely.

I found that when viewing images with sRGB embedded in them that a similar thing occurred but strip the profile so no profile is embedded and the colours become washed out as the display fills in its capable colour range using the image.

I might be missing some bits out here but I think that gives you an idea of how many variations of the same image can be visible on a wide gamut display!

Any posibility for a picture of Hazro vs. HP showing OcUK forum in Ie7 ?
- It’s all packed up ready for collection but if you use my photos from earlier, notably the baby in red photo comparison, notice the left image is more saturated whilst the right image is colour accurate, how it should be. The image on both has embedded sRGB colour profile.

I’ll see what I can do when I get home though, if time permits I’ll unpack it all and do a quick OCUK forum comparison.

If you already sent the Hazro back. Then just a picture of OcUK forum in Ie7 vs. Firefox ?
- Same as above

I don't understand why Baddass didn't catch this ?
- His review was to review the TFT and its features/colour accuracy a a wide gamut display, this is done spot on as usual. Reviews don’t really tend to delve into real world usage though, not that I’ve seen anyway.

In your pictures, mrk I actually find the HP much more appealing
- People often like the look of more saturated colours because it appears warmer to the eye and more pleasing. This is fine if you don’t mind getting inaccurate colours here and there!
 
i didnt want to get into the whole wide gamut vs standard gamut debate in the review, as it's not really the place. people are hopefully aware of the pros and cons of wide gamut displays....i personally dont find the forum colours washed out on the HP though, but it;'s down to taste i guess
 
Thanx so much for reply mrk After looking more careful on your pictures I now clearly see the unnatural skintone on the baby :(

If the screen just constantly oversaturated colors I guess I could correct it. But I guess that's not the case :(

Damn now I have absolutely no idea what screen to get. I don't like the way the Hazro handles brightness control (the way going for 120 cd/m2 kills the contrast)

I guess I will wait for another screen using the HP H-ips panel :rolleyes:

Or maybe just spend 20£(the shipping price back and forth) to experience the HP live
 
Hang about for the firmware update that fixes the banding - to fix the banding it they may well have made changes to the backlight/scaler/brightness control etc so things could be somewhat different :) on mine I have no problems with brightness at 35 for example because the colorimeter adjusts the grey balance for good greyscale details in shadows via the gfx card LUT. This gives a luminance of around 280 which is fine for daily usage.
 
Baddass said:
i didnt want to get into the whole wide gamut vs standard gamut debate in the review, as it's not really the place. people are hopefully aware of the pros and cons of wide gamut displays....i personally dont find the forum colours washed out on the HP though, but it;'s down to taste i guess
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Sorry didn't want to come off as critiquing your fine work. But wide gamut vs standard gamut assesment was all I was looking for in your review. As it was mentioned as the single biggest potential problem with this monitor ;)

Baddass: You say you didn't find the forum washed out ?
Did you experince washed out colors on anything else ?

I was kind of hoping to compensate the oversaturation with the grafic card settings:
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To be honest mrk will never be happy.

I'm pretty sure he only lives to buy and return monitors.

Also, mrk , you were aware it was wide gamut so why did you buy it? I'm surprised you find it such a distraction that you can't even use the monitor.
 
nightrhyme said:
Sorry didn't want to come off as critiquing your fine work. But wide gamut vs standard gamut assesment was all I was looking for in your review. As it was mentioned as the single biggest potential problem with this monitor ;)

Baddass: You say you didn't find the forum washed out ?
Did you experince washed out colors on anything else ?
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yeah fair enough, apperciate some people find this a concern. Tbh though, it's a "potential problem" on any extended gamut display, and most displays are going this way nowadays. people are going to have to get used to it really, it wont be long before no new models and no new panels offer 72% (sRGB) gamut imo. I dont personally find it a problem, i dont think colours look oversaturated or washed out, but then it depends on your use for the screen really. it depends what colour space you want to work with of course, but if you're just a casual office user i dont see it as a problem myself. I think they only way to know is to see for yourself, but like i say, it wont be long before everything is extended gamut i dont think
 
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