Hungarian Grand Prix 2010, Hungaroring Circuit - Race 12/19

[sunama]

I'd be tempted to say that Alonso is a better racer than Schumi, he managed to keep the much quicker Red Bulls behind him on 2 occasions without a stupid move.

The MSc you are seeing in 2010 is a shadow of his former self.
The MSc of 10 years ago (say 2000), was better than the Alonso of 2010.
In 2010, Alonso is definitely better than MSc. This opinion is shared by the vast majority of the current crop of F1 drivers, who feel that Alonso is the daddy of F1.

MSc has had over a half a season to adapt himself to the new cars, but he is only just matching Rosberg's pace. He is also far behind him in the points standings.

I must admit that I didn't expect him to struggle in this manner, but the plain truth is that MSc had a very long career where he saw off the likes of Hill, Villeneuve and Hakkinen. Sadly for him, when Alonso beat him in 2005 and 2006, MSc was past his best and he knew that 2006 was the right time to retire.

 

[sunama]

The Mercedes should have been faster in a straight line, he was keeping RB at bay very well. Until he made a mistake in tee last corner, that's what allowed RB to make that move. A balls up by MSC.

It was indeed the mistake that allowed RB to get right up behind MSc as they both exited the corner. Had MSc not made the mistake, it is unlikely that RB would've been able to pull up right alongside MSc.

 

[Mr Jack]

then barrichello should learn if there isnt room dont try to force a way through...

What are you drooling about? There was plenty of room when Rubens started the move, it was only once Rubens was alongside Michael that he began rapidly moving to his right, forcing Rubens off the track and almost into the wall. An entirely fair and reasonable passing move from Rubens was changed into a very dangerous situation by an entirely unreasonable move from Michael.

I'm glad to see him punished.

 

[Mr Jack]

Having time to examine the incident further on YouTube, I find it interesting that Schumacher stops turning into Rubens and maintains a straight trajectory just before he's an inch or two from crossing the white line off of the track, almost as if he knew there was a cars width for Barichello provided he didn't cross the white line.

If that was the case, then in my view it makes it an informed and measured move, considering the very experienced drivers involved, Rubens isn't going to hit the wall if he's got a cars width, and if MSC knew there was a cars width as long as he didn't cross the line, then there is less of a case for the dramatic furore that's ensued.

Michael's car awareness is extraordinary, even this season, so I'd tend to agree he know that he'd left Ruben enough room. What I don't agree is that this makes it okay. Rubens was pushed off the track into an incredibly dirty region, all it would take is for a bit of glass to have been among that debris or Rubens to slightly misjudge and *bang* you've got a really nasty accident.

You cannot, in F1, use your car to push another car off track when there's no need to do so. It's one thing on a corner; but Schumi had no reason to take up the track position he did, other than to push a car which was already beside him into the wall.

Having said that, I agree with other posters who've said too much is being made of this: it was a nasty incident, Schumi's been punished, time to get on with things.

 

[el_dazza]

A generally pleasing weekend all round - Hamilton out, a chaotic race in parts (pit stops.. what the hell is up with Force India's luck lately!) and Ferrari/RBR filling the top 4. Superb stuff

 

[FrankJH]

I'd be tempted to say that Alonso is a better racer than Schumi, he managed to keep the much quicker Red Bulls behind him on 2 occasions without a stupid move. Granted that was mostly down to the nature of the track and the Ferrari's greater top speed, but it showed that its possible to keep a quicker car behind without resorting to "dirty tactics"

yet people slam Button for being held back by a very fast Ferrari powered Sauber (admittedly with an average driver) - its down to the cars / tracks in the most part

Very few parts of the circuit anyone has any chance to pass if its not done in the first lap/ in the pitstop sequence

Incredibly dull race - with the few instances of much interest in very confined parts of the race (ie start, pitstops & 1 or 2 other select laps - out of 70 laps thats pretty dull imo)

 

[redeye_uk]

Perhaps Schumahcer really is the stig and he was getting revenge on Barrichello

 

[arknor]

I'd be tempted to say that Alonso is a better racer than Schumi, he managed to keep the much quicker Red Bulls behind him on 2 occasions without a stupid move. Granted that was mostly down to the nature of the track and the Ferrari's greater top speed, but it showed that its possible to keep a quicker car behind without resorting to "dirty tactics"

like schumacher did to button who had a much higher top speed? im sure most drivers in the ferrari would have been able to do the same

 

[FrankJH]

Perhaps Schumahcer really is the stig and he was getting revenge on Barrichello

BOLLLLLLLLLL - Now it all makes sense!!!!

 

[iviv]

I will eat my (Mclaren) hat if anything interesting happens in this race. Terrible track.

Pics please

 

[dannyjo22]

yet people slam Button for being held back by a very fast Ferrari powered Sauber (admittedly with an average driver) - its down to the cars / tracks in the most part

Button wasn't being held up by a sauber Button was held up by being slow.

Button himself said in the F1 forum that it may have looked like he was held up at various points in the race but he wasn't, he wasn't being held up he just wasn't quick enough. His words.

 

[Setroc]

People were saying that this was an exciting race, but I found it extremely dull.

Pushing a driver into the pit wall and wacky races in the pit lane were interesting incidents, but did not make it a good race imo.

 

[FrankJH]

Button wasn't being held up by a sauber Button was held up by being slow.

Button himself said in the F1 forum that it may have looked like he was held up at various points in the race but he wasn't, he wasn't being held up he just wasn't quick enough. His words.

Time at the end still puts them a couple of seconds apart (which it seemed to be majority of the race)

Actually it looks like there was about 12s between 5th place and 10th - looks like Barrichello was the snail as he had such a late pitstop and everyone else was queued up behind him

 

[MarcLister]

Perhaps Schumahcer really is the stig and he was getting revenge on Barrichello

Haha, nice one. I need to watch Top Gear on the iPlayer to see what Jenson's Stig t-shirt said as the subtitles blocked that bit of the screen.

 

[redeye_uk]

Haha, nice one. I need to watch Top Gear on the iPlayer to see what Jenson's Stig t-shirt said as the subtitles blocked that bit of the screen.

"I didn't beat the stig"

 

[MarcLister]

"I didn't beat the stig"

Cheers. Just had a look myself and Button's pulling the right kind of sad face for the pic.

 

[utajoker]

Hopefully the break can give mclaren time to stop and refresh and hopefully get the car upto speed again.

Apparently the next couple of tracks are better for the mclaren engine.

 

[sunama]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mo...me-new-ideas-after-title-blow-in-Hungary.html

Webber is 100% correct, with the following quote:

“It’s like everything else which constantly comes up,” Webber said. “Our guys have broken their balls to design a car in the spirit of the regulations, and every time we are tested by the FIA we pass. When people don’t like what they see on the stopwatch, they have to justify their own positions, and when there’s pressure on people to perform and they’re getting destroyed, that’s how it is.

I think Mclaren have to face facts - they are not going to be able to catch up to RedBull this year. They need to rely on something else, in order to compete against the RedBulls. They have better drivers - thats a good start. However, this won't be enough to hold on to the RBR cars.

IMO, McLaren must favour one driver over the other NOW. Not in a few races time, as it may be too late by then.

Ferrari understand this and now have a No.1/No.2 strategy in place. This should ensure Alonso scores heavily and even in an inferior car, stands a good chance of outscoring everybody in the 2nd half of the season.

McLaren's policy of having their drivers race eachother could hurt them, just as we saw in 2007.

McLaren keep copying RBR cars, yet they are consistently outpaced by them. Their big mistake was to let Newey go, but nothing can be done about that now. What they can do "now" is begin to give one of their drivers preferential treatment and begin developing their car so it favours the preferred driver.

In the coming weeks, McLaren will copy RBR's front wing, however, by then, RBR will have another trick up their sleeve, which should keep them ahead of the competition.

I think Webber is spot on.

 

[Slam62]

webber is not correct, as the car is not in the spirit of the regs, as there is no spirit. It beats a test design to check if it is within the regs, but the test fails, because when running on track the car is not within the regs. It's up to the fia whether that matters or not.

 

[Glaucus]

I don't agree with webber, it is clearly against the rules. Even though it passes scrutineering. hence FIA adding the scrutineering clause.

There own fault for being to greedy. If they kept the flex to a more reasonable amount, they would have been fine. Just like Ferrari, if they didn't communicate and Massa had a "mistake" they would have been fine.

Of course people are going to moan, we are talking 100's of millions per team.

webber is not correct, as the car is not in the spirit of the regs, as there is no spirit. It beats a test design to check if it is within the regs, but the test fails, because when running on track the car is not within the regs. It's up to the fia whether that matters or not.

I don't know why people keep saying in the spirit, it is just against the rules, the rules goes into flex and scruteenering can be changed at the FIAa whim if to much flex is observed.