Hungarian Grand Prix 2010, Hungaroring Circuit - Race 12/19
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I'm sure there's some truth to that.
schumacher was clearly ahead , barrichello should have yielded, to me its like the corner situation with the driving line.
you cant expect an easy pass just because its a straight rubens even went off track across the white line as the gap was closing......
if it were grass along that side anyone who can remain unbiased knows rubens wouldnt have gone there.
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Yes I do know what the white lines are.
Yes, I can see that Schumacher was being aggressive with his move, a move he was entitle to. However, absolutely nobody was forcing Rubens to make that move. By not yielding, he had decided that he will either come out of this a position up, or he will crash. He made the decision to carry on with the move. As he was able to make the move in the first place shows he was faster than Schumacher, so could have waited another lap or 2 and made another move. He therefore decided he was willing to have a crash if necessary to get past.
Like I said before, everyone is quick to criticise Schumacher and his driving, but no one else.
I can't tell if you are both being serious for two reasons:
1) It was unnecessarily dangerous and has been punished by the stewards as such.
2) Any and all Youtube videos will show this.
Ergo:
So my question is, with Rubens alongside, why does Schumacher continue his line to the wall? What could he possibly have thought was going to happen. This isn't the driving line for a corner, this is a straight, with a faster car coming past, and a solid wall.
1) It was unnecessarily dangerous and has been punished by the stewards as such.
2) Any and all Youtube videos will show this.
Ergo:
So my question is, with Rubens alongside, why does Schumacher continue his line to the wall? What could he possibly have thought was going to happen. This isn't the driving line for a corner, this is a straight, with a faster car coming past, and a solid wall.
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Did you not see how quickly it happened in the replay? Have you driven at 180mph? There would have been no time for the decision. He was overtaking and you don't exactly expect someone to push you into a concrete wall. It could have been an horrific accident. Schumi got what he deserved with the penalty.
I would much prefer F1 to never have any overtaking and dangerous moves, there obviously too dangerous to try and should be banned.
I genuinely think it's being blown completely out of proportion. I'm not even a Schumacher fan boy, I just feel people watch his EVERY move just to pick up on something to moan about.
**Edit** If on the radio before I had said to my team "He keeps leaving the door open then shutting it fast" I 'think' I would be more prepared to react to something like this when trying to pass him? Aye, Rubens was only his team mate, and raced against him so knows how much Schumacher is willing to push the boundaries, even for 10th postion. Maybe because he's a racer, and he's there to.... errrm RACE!
I genuinely think it's being blown completely out of proportion. I'm not even a Schumacher fan boy, I just feel people watch his EVERY move just to pick up on something to moan about.
**Edit** If on the radio before I had said to my team "He keeps leaving the door open then shutting it fast" I 'think' I would be more prepared to react to something like this when trying to pass him? Aye, Rubens was only his team mate, and raced against him so knows how much Schumacher is willing to push the boundaries, even for 10th postion. Maybe because he's a racer, and he's there to.... errrm RACE!
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Yes Yes Yes.
Finally, somebody who understands the ethos of F1.
In order to win, you can't be squeaky clean and do the right thing, all of the time. Sometimes, you must be prepared to bend/break the rules.
Why do you think I rate Hamilton and Alonso so highly - because they are both prepared to do anything to win. Both have shown this in the past. As such both of these drivers stand a good chance of becoming all time greats.
Conversely, somebody like Button will never climb to those heights, if only because he isn't prepared to go to the lengths that Senna, MSc, Prost and now Hamilton will go to, to win.
But anyway, I digress, back to the topic of MSc bashing....
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Yes Yes Yes.
Finally, somebody who understands the ethos of F1.
In order to win, you can't be squeaky clean and do the right thing, all of the time. Sometimes, you must be prepared to bend/break the rules.
Why do you think I rate Hamilton and Alonso so highly - because they are both prepared to do anything to win. Both have shown this in the past. As such both of these drivers stand a good chance of becoming all time greats.
Conversely, somebody like Button will never climb to those heights, if only because he isn't prepared to go to the lengths that Senna, MSc, Prost and now Hamilton will go to, to win.
But anyway, I digress, back to the topic of MSc bashing....
And yet he didn't stand to win anything...
whats this analysis of a fanboy
they even make out like schumacher said something he didnt, i could do one showing barrichello beeing a nob trying to force his way past
whats this analysis of a fanboy
they even make out like schumacher said something he didnt, i could do one showing barrichello beeing a nob trying to force his way past
Indeed, the video comments are made with a clear bias. Look past that for a second though and you'll find some slow motion footage from todays race, which is all I am interested in.
So my question is, with Rubens alongside, why does Schumacher continue his line to the wall? What could he possibly have thought was going to happen?
MSc's will to win is imprinted deep in his psyche. He does not like people to go past him. We have seen this on numerous occassions. In fact, so strong is his will to win, that he has even been stripped of his points, for deliberately taking another driver out of the race, to prevent him from winning or overtaking him. RB must know this.
What MSc did was dangerous. I don't think anyone can argue against it. But, did it deserve a penalty?
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He might get his one point
Yes, it did. He has run a few drivers off the road now. I am all for pushing people out the way, but if they let it go unpunished next time it could be fatal. Are we willing to kill people now for a few points? It isn't like he is going to win anything this year. Basically, same old agrressive Schumi, just a lot slower.
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gord said:
Watching that, it happens quite a distance from where he gets a bit too close to the wall. Evidently Rubens had no time to brake and get Schumacher on the next lap or one after or whenever.
Sunama said:
Of course it did, defending you're position is forbidden, especially if you are willing to do that to defend it!
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Why did Webber not pick up a penalty for simply slamming into the back of Heikki? That was dangerous, too...right?
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Because as we know the stewards aren't consistent. However, Schumacher's move was carried out with a lot more intention and in a much more dangerous position. Webber just can't drive well.
probably thought rubens would lift off like any sane person without a grudge would.
rubens should get a penalty for leaving the circuit to try and over take, as i said before if it were grass on that side he wouldnt have left the circuit, its the same as spa when kimi left the track and ran down the rumblestrip at the start making up loads of positions while everyone else was stuck behind other cars on the track.
its the same as cutting a chicane, if you cant over take on the track in a convincing manor then why should you expect people to make it easy? just because your faster? i thought this was motor racing not follow the faster car
