Hungarian Grand Prix 2010, Hungaroring Circuit - Race 12/19
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Probably doesn't sound very convincing. And you propose a grudge as the reason for Ruben's behaviour? That has weakened your answer.
I believe you have misunderstood what I am questioning. I can accept Schumacher's line, and defending his position, until he reaches the side of the track (the white line, not the wall). At that point Schumacher knows which side Rubens has taken, that Rubens is faster and that he can't continue his line all the way to the wall: agreed?
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I can't say I'm the biggest of Schumacher fans but in all honesty Barrichello was behind him when he crossed the line. IMO RB should not have been in that position, Schumacher had committed to moving right and RB could have easily taken him on the left so why he tried to stuff it up the inside I have no idea.
so rubens throttle was stuck at 100%?
ofcourse not he was either going to get a point or not.
schumacher was either going to be involved in a crash or let rubens through.
rubens just had to get one over the guy who pummeled him for so long.
we all know how bitter rubens is about the ferrari years , schumacher can not shoulder all the blame for what we saw.
they were both as bad as each other
Having time to examine the incident further on YouTube, I find it interesting that Schumacher stops turning into Rubens and maintains a straight trajectory just before he's an inch or two from crossing the white line off of the track, almost as if he knew there was a cars width for Barichello provided he didn't cross the white line.
If that was the case, then in my view it makes it an informed and measured move, considering the very experienced drivers involved, Rubens isn't going to hit the wall if he's got a cars width, and if MSC knew there was a cars width as long as he didn't cross the line, then there is less of a case for the dramatic furore that's ensued.
Not particularly taking any sides over the incident, but I found that to be an interesting observation, now I've had time to review it freely.
If that was the case, then in my view it makes it an informed and measured move, considering the very experienced drivers involved, Rubens isn't going to hit the wall if he's got a cars width, and if MSC knew there was a cars width as long as he didn't cross the line, then there is less of a case for the dramatic furore that's ensued.
Not particularly taking any sides over the incident, but I found that to be an interesting observation, now I've had time to review it freely.
The other issue with MSC is that he's got previous.
We're talking about the driver who secured his 1994 championship with an incredibly dodgy move, the driver who was completely excluded from the 1997 championship as a result of his actions in one race against another driver.
Yes, his ruthlesness has secured him many victories, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be punished when he is deemed to have stepped over the line.
We're talking about the driver who secured his 1994 championship with an incredibly dodgy move, the driver who was completely excluded from the 1997 championship as a result of his actions in one race against another driver.
Yes, his ruthlesness has secured him many victories, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be punished when he is deemed to have stepped over the line.
Because obviously Webber didn't do that with the soul intention of some flying lessons, where as Schumacher clearly was set on running rubens off the road.
Yes you have the right do defend your position and they are all there to win, but instead of having a fight and finally admitting defeat when your beat Schumi is the kid with the toy that the other kid wants, and he'd rather break it than give it up.
I've only read this page of the thread so I dunno whats already been said on the issue but when I watched Vettel backing up the pack and letting webber go i was ready to come on here after the race and rant about how it was ok for red bull to blatantly give team orders and get away with it.
As it turns out either Vettel is now the one that "deserves an oscar" or indeed he was well and truly caught napping.
Sorry to be disappointing you then danny.
I just happen to believe that Grand Prix motor racing should be dangerous, there should be the risk that you're going to get pretty badly hurt if you stick your car into a gap that's closing up, and that if someone gets hurt sticking their car into a gap that wasn't really there, everyone should just shrug and say "there but for the grace of God, go I". That's why they get paid the big money.
That being said, one of the good things about the greater emphasis on safety (at the cost of actual racing, but hey ho) is that there's less chance of the crowd or marshals getting clobbered by errant bits of car. That I do approve of.
Maybe if it was a bit more dangerous for the drivers then they wouldn't do stuff like head for a gap that's closing up and hope that the other driver waves them through, or turn right on a straight into their team-mate, or weave around as if the braking zone for the next corner is actually a slalom course.
Might be better off scrubbing up into the wall actually, even at those speeds. If you go onto the turf, you might dig in and flip.
racing and defending is certainly allowed as we have seen every other race.What is not aloud is far to much aggression. If you think that should be allowed, then there will never ever be any over taking as all the defending driver has to do is use their car as a weapon and go for it.
As we have seen from many drivers aggression, blocking and pushing is allowed, this crossed a fine line.
Actually Hamilton has shown the opposite, with the move with his team mate they both left each other room. Plus hamilton doesn't have an exclusive no1 contract which he probably could have demanded.
Hamilton is a fast tough racer but he's not shown yet he will do anything to win.
I'm not surprised with MS, he's shown time and time again even in junior formula he has not got the ability to mix it wheel to wheel. He's the fastest sprint racer F1 has ever seen and the most consistent driver lap after lap in those situations until he has to race wheel to wheel.
Villenueve for all his many faults was the hardest man I've ever seen to pass in an f1 car. Even in the BAR zipper car of 99 MS couldn't get passed him for about 30 laps until Villeneuve pitted. He did the same to him multiple times while driving dogs and to mika as well.
Only once did I ever see him run his opponent off the track when he didn't even see him. He was quick to go to the garage afterwards and apologise. He could race wheel to wheel with the best of them and do it fairly.
Perhaps because he spent his lower formula learning to race wheel to wheel and those sorts of moves in Cart would get you or your rival killed.
All of this I blame on the FIA, they should have stamped on Senna harder and then later on MS every time he ran a fellow driver off the track. They should also have a word with vettel over his starts.
As Acid says if every time a car tried to pass you just moved over on them, there would never be any overtaking because it wouldn't be worth the risk. By all means push them over to maintain your line for the corner or to edge them out, but once that other car is pushed over to the limit of the edge of the track the pushing has to stop.
The FIA should have made MS sit belgium out, I'd have black flagged him and any driver that did that again.
I'd be tempted to say that Alonso is a better racer than Schumi, he managed to keep the much quicker Red Bulls behind him on 2 occasions without a stupid move. Granted that was mostly down to the nature of the track and the Ferrari's greater top speed, but it showed that its possible to keep a quicker car behind without resorting to "dirty tactics"
Yep he did well, the Red Bull looked so much quicker as well.
bary was 3-4 seconds faster than schui, vettel was only around 1 faster than alonso.
its been shown a few times you need a mistake/balls out move/good few second faster to get past someone in the dry.
I'd go with this. The incident's been blown out of proportion a bit.
But the Ferrari was faster on the straights, something MS didn't have over RB so the FA/SV contest isn't really comparable.
The Mercedes should have been faster in a straight line, he was keeping RB at bay very well. Until he made a mistake in tee last corner, that's what allowed RB to make that move. A balls up by MSC.
