Hungarian Grand Prix 2010, Hungaroring Circuit - Race 12/19

That's a ludicrous advantage that Red Bull are enjoying over their rivals. It has been a few years since we've seen this sort of gap at the front.
 
Its odd how they can grow a sudden 1s gap from a race 6 days ago.

Oh well hopefully lewis an make a good start from the clean side and making a couple of positions at the first corner and with a bit of luck the red bull pair of prats will knock themselves out again.
 
Come off it whitmarsh, they haven't only just started using that wing this weekend. Trying to make out there is a fixed wing league.

For once I agree with EJ.
 
dalin80 said:
Its odd how they can grow a sudden 1s gap from a race 6 days ago..
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Its not odd just a different track.

They were miles ahead at times this year and then other circuits others are better. Its not like they have done something in a week to gain a second.

The circuit suits them thats all. Some of that pace will dissapear tommorow to the ferrari if the blown diffuser rumour is true.
 
That advantage is disgusting!

The Ferrari has all of the trick pieces, and the RB is still ridiculously faster than them. I want to know what we aren't seeing!
 
I don't know why McLaren didn't lodge an appeal last week - surely putting in a protest would be the quickest way to get a definite clarification on whether it's legal or not.

Complaining to the media having not made a complaint is a bit backward - surely they've now committed resources to developing a flexi wing for themselves, and if theres a delay if getting clarification and it then gets banned they've wasted further development time.
 
Not sure if this has been said before but: The rules say the wing has to be 85mm off the floor, whereas the Red Bull's clearly isn't. However it's passed scrutineering. Is it not the case then that the FIA simply aren't testing it rigorously enough? Or is the rule stated in such a way as it says 'The wing must be 85mm off the floor when we test it', thus allowing the teams to exploit a gap between the forces applied during the FIA's test and the greater forces encountered during a race?
 
Masterdog said:
Not sure if this has been said before but: The rules say the wing has to be 85mm off the floor, whereas the Red Bull's clearly isn't. However it's passed scrutineering. Is it not the case then that the FIA simply aren't testing it rigorously enough? Or is the rule stated in such a way as it says 'The wing must be 85mm off the floor when we test it', thus allowing the teams to exploit a gap between the forces applied during the FIA's test and the greater forces encountered during a race?
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It's complicated as theres also a provision for the FIA to alter the test if they feel it neccessary - so designing a wing to break the regulations, but pass the test doesn't make it legal - but neither can it be proved illegal unless the FIA decide to alter the test to better enforce the regulations - and so far they don't seem to be that interested to do that, so it kind of makes it fair game (until they issue a clarification one way or the other).
 
Those wing comparison shots showed just how much difference there is between the Red Bull and McLaren, Red Bulls running along the ground almost, McLaren looked like it was running really high, more than 85mm.

Vettel vs Webber, Alonso vs Massa, big pile up, Hamilton skips through :)
 
Surely if Red Bulls front wing is catching the ground at high speed then it's against regulations? otherwise why don't all cars just have fixed front wings closer to the ground?
 
Its another of those special F1 grey areas. There's "an amount" of leniency for the wings as everyone knows they will flex with the forces. Red Bull are just exploiting the leniency, which is why it has to be clarified.

At standstill the RB wing is fully legal. It is rigid and it is 85mm from the ground at the end plates.
 
hiroofheroes said:
It's complicated as theres also a provision for the FIA to alter the test if they feel it neccessary - so designing a wing to break the regulations, but pass the test doesn't make it legal - but neither can it be proved illegal unless the FIA decide to alter the test to better enforce the regulations - and so far they don't seem to be that interested to do that, so it kind of makes it fair game (until they issue a clarification one way or the other).
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The argument could be made for the michelin tyre that passed scruitineering but in racing conditions altered. The FIA where quick enough to change the rules then.

mmj_uk said:
Surely if Red Bulls front wing is catching the ground at high speed then it's against regulations? otherwise why don't all cars just have fixed front wings closer to the ground?
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The Red Bull wing is 85mm off the floor when static, the other teams cannot just lower it. The airflow is pusshing the ends down to the ground.

Personally I don't see how they are allowing it when you consider the Renault Damper and Ferrari flex floor that passed the tests but where not considered to be in the spirit of the regs.

Its pretty clear this front wing is not in the spirit of the rules and allowing them opens up a can of worms for other teams to interpret rules in static and racing conditions.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Its pretty clear this front wing is not in the spirit of the rules and allowing them opens up a can of worms for other teams to interpret rules in static and racing conditions.
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As long as it allows the team which is using the flexi-wings to win races, I don't see why the "spirit of the rules" should be of any importance.

With so much money riding on the race result of a formula one team, absolute performance comes first. Gentleman's agreements come second. RedBull understand this.

It perplexes me as to why McLaren didnt use the KERS (in 2010) device given that it was clearly giving them an advantage. I know they had a gentleman's agreement regarding its (non) use, but I feel that McLaren really let other teams off lightly. Had they continued to develop it, McLaren could've ben further ahead in the championship than they are now.

In any case, the FIA isnt doing anything about RedBull's wings, the other teams are not protesting, so I don't see why F1 fans should worry. If other teams really do find RedBull's flexi wings and their use so offensive, they can lodge an official protest with the FIA.

All being well, RedBull should pick up a 1 and 2 tomorrow, followed by Alonso on the podium. Of course, as we know, Vettel and Webber are not the best drivers by any means and do have a history of cocking things up. So, Alonso & Co still have a small chance of making it into the top 2 positions.

Unless there is rain, tomorrow's race should be once heck of a borefest.
 
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