Hungarian Grand Prix 2013, Budapest - Race 10/19

Anyway.... here's some research on Ferrari:

The Stewards, having received a report from the Technical Delegate, heard from the driver and team
representative, examined electronic data, have considered the following matter, and determine a breach
of the regulations has been committed by the competitor named below and impose the penalty referred
to..
No / Driver
3
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Fernando Alonso
Competitor
Scuderia Ferrari
Time
14:08
Session
Race
Fact
DRS was enabled when the driver was not less than one second behind another driver
in the DRS zone.
Offence
Breach of Article 27.5 (b) of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.
Decision
The competitor (Scuderia Ferrari) is fined
€
15,000.
Reason
The DRS enabling system was not changed by the team from the pre
-
race to the race
setting. The driver therefore incorrectly received "DRS enabled" messages and
reacted to them (when not entitled to) on 3 occasions. As soon as the team became
aware of the problem they informed the driver to only use DRS when told to do so by
the team. Whilst a small sporting advantage (less than one second over the entire
race) was gained, the team argued Car 3 also suffered a disadvantage by being unable
to use DRS on every legitimate occasion. However, the team is ultimately responsible
for ensuring the system conforms to the regulations.
 
Just saw the BBC highlights and Massa and Kimi should have got a drive through as well because they both left the track on lap one
also massa came back on track and hit Nico. Just shows the fia are a bunch of idiots.
 
deuse said:
Just saw the BBC highlights and Massa and Kimi should have got a drive through as well because they both left the track on lap one
also massa came back on track and hit Nico. Just shows the fia are a bunch of idiots.
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LOL so the next time Lewis runs wide you will demand a penalty right?

Massa said the penalty for Grosjean was wrong as it happens.
 
First lap is ignored, Vettel went over off the track several times with all four wheels.
 
Duke said:
First lap is ignored, Vettel went over off the track several times with all four wheels.
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It's quite common with Vettel. He was spectacularly taking the michael last year at Hockenheim, repeatedly putting all 4 wheels over the white line at a couple of corners. He just gets away with it. <shrug>.
 
Mr Men said:
LOL so the next time Lewis runs wide you will demand a penalty right?

Massa said the penalty for Grosjean was wrong as it happens.
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Massa was off the track then came back on and hit Nico, if that's not a drive through nothing is.
 
tbh i think rg should have had the severe penalty for the collision over the overtake.
and to who posted about the others going off at the start.. maybe we should have scalextrix racing with cars on a set line? everyone has done that at some point.

as a lotus supporter im disappointed in the result, should have been a lotus double podium at least,
But at least it wasnt just luck, RG should have made a cleaner pass on button and not over shot his pit lane, was unlucky to get held up at start

Least they made up good ground on ferrari!
Kimi did well on two stops. Really expected RG to beat KR
 
I didn't see the race, unfortunately, but I'm delighted to see Hamilton get his first win. If Mercedes can maintain this kind of improvement I can see Lewis taking the second half of the season by a clear margin and, perhaps, getting his second title. As it stands, however, this looks like more an outlier. Here's hoping.
 
Mr Jack said:
I didn't see the race, unfortunately, but I'm delighted to see Hamilton get his first win. If Mercedes can maintain this kind of improvement I can see Lewis taking the second half of the season by a clear margin and, perhaps, getting his second title. As it stands, however, this looks like more an outlier. Here's hoping.
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Is this hope?
Or do you genuinely believe this?
 
Same problem as in 2011, Vettel winning or pulling in the points and Race Wins being shared out between lots of other drivers. There's no single Driver taking the fight to Vettel. He'll win again.
 
sunama said:
Is this hope?
Or do you genuinely believe this?
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If Mercedes continue to show the kind of improvement we've seen over the last few races then Hamilton is in with a chance.

Have a look at the race results so far. In the first five races, Mercedes took two podiums, both third place. In the second five races, they won three of the races. A Mercedes has been on pole in seven (!) races; they've had cracking pace but lacked lasting power in the race. If Hamilton's staying power in this race represents a real step forward for Mercedes in terms of tyre management then they should be able to turn that pace into race wins on a regular basis and who will be the main recipient of those wins? My money is on Hamilton.

Meanwhile Kimi has taken half the second places going. If he can keep doing that for the rest of the season then that will take a stack of points off Vettel.

I won't say it's the likely interpretation of what is coming, but I don't believe it's beyond the realm of plausibility. Vettel's always built his Championships on strong qualifying performance, that's not there this season.
 
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People have underestimated Merc beacuse 7 poles is frankly fantastic and Hamilton only finishing below 5th once all season is also fantastic(second only really to Vettel who has only finished below 4th once(though that was a DNF, and in terms of 1-2's Vettel, or RBR has Hamilton/Merc spanked there).

They are improving, they've had the basic pace since the start of the season but needed a while to hook up that pace properly which they have now done, and have been working on tyres since then. Its improving but not fast enough, this race is 90% likely to be an indication of the heat equalising things rather than a big step forward. Monaco was a deserved win in terms of quali pace, but a race that on race pace they crawled around and the track gifted them a win. The second/third wins both had HUGE happenings in the race, it wasn't a straight fight between a Merc and well Vettel, in one Vettel dnf'd, in the other Vettel got held up for pretty much 3/4's of the race AND had overheating issues so backed off from Hamilton, Button and Kimi for periods to cool the car.

In general I would say Merc have almost no shot at the title, will continue the trend of qualifying in the top 4 spots(Rosberg being more like 2-6). There will be too many races which doesn't suit the car, but at the same time Barcelona won't happen again. It was hot but people forget its also the track surface, its known to be terrible for tyres. Other tracks will be as hot, or hotter and be less bad, other tracks will suit the car better while being hotter or whatever. Barca was hot, had a terrible surface(which ripped up the hot tyres as opposed to just making the tyres wear down faster but without turning the tyre to mush) and it didn't suit the Merc so it was the worst possible combination. It was said before, during, after the race, Barca was worst case scenario for Merc all season, Monaco was best case in terms of quali pace + unpassable, Hungary was always going to be closer to Monaco because overtaking is so difficult... once again Hamilton shined as he put in the most important and best overtaking moves when others got held up(its not all Hamilton, the RBR isn't set up for overtaking at a track like Hungary).

I think Hamilton could potentially gain on Vettel and maybe move past Alonso(particularly as the Ferrari seems to have been going backwards for a while now), potentially even Kimi but I think 3rd in the championship is the best they can hope for this year. Next year, new cars, different wings, different engines, different reliability, who the hell knows.
 
Race
Code: 
[b]Pos  Driver               Team/Car                  Time/Gap[/b]
 1.  Lewis Hamilton       Mercedes              1h42m29.445s
 2.  Kimi Raikkonen       Lotus-Renault             +10.938s
 3.  Sebastian Vettel     Red Bull-Renault          +12.459s
 4.  Mark Webber          Red Bull-Renault          +18.044s
 5.  Fernando Alonso      Ferrari                   +31.411s
 6.  Romain Grosjean      Lotus-Renault             +52.295s*
 7.  Jenson Button        McLaren-Mercedes          +53.819s
 8.  Felipe Massa         Ferrari                   +56.447s
 9.  Sergio Perez         McLaren-Mercedes            +1 lap
10.  Pastor Maldonado     Williams-Renault            +1 lap
11.  Nico Hulkenberg      Sauber-Ferrari              +1 lap
12.  Jean-Eric Vergne     Toro Rosso-Ferrari          +1 lap
13.  Daniel Ricciardo     Toro Rosso-Ferrari          +1 lap
14.  Giedo van der Garde  Caterham-Renault           +2 laps
15.  Charles Pic          Caterham-Renault           +2 laps
16.  Jules Bianchi        Marussia-Cosworth          +3 laps
17.  Max Chilton          Marussia-Cosworth          +3 laps
     Paul di Resta        Force India-Mercedes   +4 laps/DNF
     Nico Rosberg         Mercedes               +6 laps/DNF
Report - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109056



World Championship standings, round 10:
Code: 
[b]Drivers:                    Constructors:             [/b]
 1.  Vettel        172        1.  Red Bull-Renault          277
 2.  Raikkonen     134        2.  Mercedes                  208
 3.  Alonso        133        3.  Ferrari                   194
 4.  Hamilton      124        4.  Lotus-Renault             183
 5.  Webber        105        5.  Force India-Mercedes       59
 6.  Rosberg        84        6.  McLaren-Mercedes           57
 7.  Massa          61        7.  Toro Rosso-Ferrari         24
 8.  Grosjean       49        8.  Sauber-Ferrari              7
 9.  Button         39        9.  Williams-Renault            1
10.  Di Resta       36
11.  Sutil          23
12.  Perez          18
13.  Vergne         13
14.  Ricciardo      11
15.  Hulkenberg      7
16.  Maldonado       1
 
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