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Anyone else think the trophy was a bit crap, was it made out of Porcelain ? *shudder*
I liked them, looked better than the normal ones!
Hungarian Grand Prix 2013, Budapest - Race 10/19
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I liked them, looked better than the normal ones!
Oh please. In the overhead view you see Nico in front(that's why massa hit his back end) massa came back on the track and hit him.
But if you can do what you like now one the first lap,then skies the limit
Here here.
Oh please, in the overhead view you see Nico turn in to take the corner and brushes Massa who is inside him. Clearly a racing accident that happens time and time again, yet you want to make out it's some major drama and needs to be a penalty LOL.
But I will bookmark your comments and revisit them if Lewis ever leave the track in future, as you like to do with others
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Oh please, in the overhead view you see Nico turn in to take the corner and brushes Massa who is inside him. Clearly a racing accident that happens time and time again, yet you want to make out it's some major drama and needs to be a penalty LOL.
But I will bookmark your comments and revisit them if Lewis ever leave the track in future, as you like to do with others
The point being is that massa was OFF the track Nico was in front and had the racing line
basha massa came back on and took Nico out. But as people has said nothing happens one the first lap..let the games begin
edit=From Nico Rosberg
"I got a good start but then Felipe and I came together on the first lap which was unfortunate as I was in front and had left some space for him but his front wing hit my rear tyre"
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Fixed this for you.
More to the point, drivers typically leave the track in the first lap to avoid collisions. If you remove leniency for first lap incidents of this sort you force the drivers to remain in more dangerous situations and increase the likelyhood of significant first/second corner incidents which will have much more impact on the racing than someone skipping off track.
what a boring race because this track is so lame (I hate overhyped Monaco as well). unfortunately they have signed a deal until 2021 
yet, there are still uncertainties about Spa's future. If they get rid of Spa I will boycott F1
PS I don't like Grosjean and think Lotus should have given other drivers the seat after last year but think he got done harshly on both penalties. technically it's the right call, but it seems very erratic how penalties are enforced; 4 wheels off the track happens all the time (= faster lap times, so always an advantage of some type) and running people off the track are rarely punished (ie Hamilton on Webber - he left him no room, had Webber not runoff, it would have been the same thing as Button/Grosjean incident or worse)! need more consistency with penalties, + I hate how some incidents are judged after the race and screw up the next race unnecessarily.
yet, there are still uncertainties about Spa's future. If they get rid of Spa I will boycott F1 PS I don't like Grosjean and think Lotus should have given other drivers the seat after last year but think he got done harshly on both penalties. technically it's the right call, but it seems very erratic how penalties are enforced; 4 wheels off the track happens all the time (= faster lap times, so always an advantage of some type) and running people off the track are rarely punished (ie Hamilton on Webber - he left him no room, had Webber not runoff, it would have been the same thing as Button/Grosjean incident or worse)! need more consistency with penalties, + I hate how some incidents are judged after the race and screw up the next race unnecessarily.
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what a boring race because this track is so lame (I hate overhyped Monaco as well). unfortunately they have signed a deal until 2021
PS I don't like Grosjean and think Lotus should have given other drivers the seat after last year but think he got done harshly on both penalties. technically it's the right call, but it seems very erratic how penalties are enforced; 4 wheels off the track happens all the time (= faster lap times, so always an advantage of some type) and running people off the track are rarely punished (ie Hamilton on Webber - he left him no room, had Webber not runoff, it would have been the same thing as Button/Grosjean incident or worse)! need more consistency with penalties, + I hate how some incidents are judged after the race and screw up the next race unnecessarily.
There is a fine line between pushing someone off the track and taking a corner and the other guy not yielding. I genuinely don't know which way I think about the Hamilton/Webber incident, the Button/Grosjean incident and Massa/Rosberg.
Lets take Hamilton Webber, its a fast corner, Hamilton beat him into it and had the better line, Webber decided to continue flat out into a space he knew Hamilton would end up naturally as that is what happens. You can't go around a corner at X speed and expect the car to simply be able to choose to not end up on the curb of the next straight. In super slow speed corners you can easily choose a extremely tight line if forced to, in that corner at the speed Hamilton/Webber were going there was no way to do this, I think the key was Hamilton had gotten alongside/ahead of Webber so I would deem he had the advantage. BOTH drivers could have slowed to give the other one room, but I think as Hamilton was on the inside Webber was probably the one who should have yielded.
With Button/Grosjean, I don't think Grosjean gave Button enough room, but at the same time I think Button maybe gave him a little swerve as Grosjean went past before that corner and Button like Webber was clearly on the outside and had zero chance to get into that corner before Grosjean, Button could have realised this much further up the straight and simply backed off. Part of me thinks had Button just given that corner up sensibly, slowed earlier, then Grosjean would have been able to tuck in and take the corner normally.... and part of me thinks Grosjean isn't entirely stupid to believe Button would have done so as SO many other drivers would have done. Had Button conceded the position which in no uncertain terms was gone(Grosjean was faster, was clearly ahead and on the inside of a chicane) then Grosjean could have moved over for the normal line completely safely. Grosjean was stupid to not give him the space, but Button was pretty stupid to be there.
I think the Rosberg situation was similar. You can't expect a car to not come back on the track, MAssa didn't swing back on like Maldonado on Hamilton, mid corner and smash him. He came back on and from what I recall was well on the track before the corner AND Rosberg was wide leaving plenty of space. I think like Grosjean/Button, Rosberg COULD have left space and not turned in so tightly and Massa could have been sensible, conceded the position and not gotten so close. I think it was also fairly evident, by keeping those guys behind so long and having the oldest tyres, that when they all overtook in the space of half a lap and he needed to pit that Button's tyres were simply gone, as soon as Grosjean was alongside he should have conceded the space because with tyres gone, you don't want to be judging the next corner within inches of the car infront. Grosjean should have given him more space because Button WAS there, but Button shouldn't have been there in the first place.
I think because in both those situations both drivers did something a bit stupid even if one was more stupid than the other, I'd call them racing incidents. With Hamilton/Webber, if Webber had started to turn before Hamilton was alongside or if Hamilton was going much slower then it could be considered Hamilton leaving him no room but I feel Hamilton had every advantage in that corner, position, speed, faster car that really Webber should have backed off and slotted in behind Hamilton.
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Why are you so upset over a run of the mill racing accident? Massa was back on the track and it was the following corner they brushed, you make it sound like Felipe came from off track and t-boned Nico or something LOL
what a boring race because this track is so lame (I hate overhyped Monaco as well). unfortunately they have signed a deal until 2021
PS I don't like Grosjean and think Lotus should have given other drivers the seat after last year but think he got done harshly on both penalties. technically it's the right call, but it seems very erratic how penalties are enforced; 4 wheels off the track happens all the time (= faster lap times, so always an advantage of some type) and running people off the track are rarely punished (ie Hamilton on Webber - he left him no room, had Webber not runoff, it would have been the same thing as Button/Grosjean incident or worse)! need more consistency with penalties, + I hate how some incidents are judged after the race and screw up the next race unnecessarily.
Webber had room, he just opted to give Hamilton a bit more space, Hamilton had the racing line after all.
I don't know how you can say it was a boring race, plenty of indecent and brave overtaking. A really good drive from Kimi to hold off Crazy Frog. I'm glad they renewed it, all the drivers seemed to like it and the crowd was huge and enthusiastic. Never mind what some internet person thinks.
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But there is a massive difference between first corner incidents and first lap incidents.
Coming down to the first corner, you will generally have a lot of cars all trying to get into the same piece of track at the same time, sometimes 3-4 abreast. This you can't really penalise, because it is difficult to find space when three abreast.
The Massa/Rosberg incident happened on the 4th/5th corner. By that time on most tracks, nearly everyone will be single file with the odd overtaking maneuver. There should be no difference between a badly made overtake on turn 4 compared to one on lap 50.
Its had a lot of boring races. Yesterday wasn't one of them though.
How is the Hungarian race funded? It looks rather old and drab. The kind of place Bernie usually throws threats at to improve or loose their spot. Yet Hungary's spot it never questioned and signing a deal to 2021 seems to have taken barely longer than it takes Bernie to write his signature.
Yep I think this year's race was a cracker, one of the best of the season. Great overtakes, thrilling strategic races and seeing Vettel struggling behind Jenson was brilliant
Also happy for Lewis to take his first win of the season despite people thinking I hate him lol.
The 2011 race was brilliant as well, not just for being a perfect weekend for Jenson and me being on Holiday watching it (200th GP for JB and winning it) but the actual race itself I'll never forget with the light rain at the start and laughing at how twitchy the back ends of the cars were. That was a fun race
Last year's race was enjoyable too.
Because fat john done the best overtake of the race in my opinion and gets a drive through.
massa takes out Nico after coming back on track but not only that on lap 31 massa leaves the track again but nothing is done.
If you're going to have a rule then stick to it. And I won't mention Alonso going off later as well...oh look I did
As big ron said once about the fia "where is the consistency"