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I’m surprised no one took a gamble earlier, but then I don’t think I’ve ever seen a track evolve so quickly. It dried out almost entirely during their formation lap.
Poll: Hungarian Grand Prix 2021, Budapest - Race 11/23
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Soldato
I thought they aren't allowed to change the tyres under the red flag conditions anyway? So the first opportunity was after the formation lap?
Its the same for every team though... and we'd then have to have stewards apportion blame - some might be 50/50s some might be 60/40s and then do we want to get the endless appeals over the percentages. Its not perfect as it is but it does work sorta
Associate
Yeap and it would also mean we would see less of any wheel to wheel racing or overtaking, the thing that F1 wanted by introducing DRS etc. as drivers will have to think twice before going into corners together.
At a time when penalties are also making drivers think twice.. we WANT racing and racers not accountants and penalties
Nope red flag is the one opportunity you can do it for free. Ruined a few races perfectly poised for tyre wear in the last few laps over the last few years.
Soldato
Oh yeh, I remember it ruining that last stint at Monaco a handful of years back that was shaping up to be interesting on old iffy tyres!
wasnt that Lulu's "my tires are dead Bono" and Maxine behind him race?
Soldato
Not the one I'm thinking of, my mind is going back further. I seem to recall it was Button in a McLaren on much fresher tyres than someone (maybe Vettel in a Ferrari?) at the front. But quite possibly we've had this scenario a few times!
Soldato
I'm thinking 2011, where Button in the McLaren in 3rd and Alonso in the Ferrari in 2nd were chasing down Vettel on very old tyres in the Red Bull, having only stopped once.
Vettel was free to change his old tyres during a red flag caused by a crash involving Sutil, Hamilton, Alguersuari and Petrov.
Soldato
That sounds like the one!
Associate
Aston Martin have confirmed their appeal. They say their data shows the car had 1.7L of fuel in it but the FIA hadn't pumped it out.
The rule isn't about how much fuel is in the car. The rule is whether the team can pump out a litre and give it to the stewards when requested.
If there was so much fuel left in then why did Vettel stop out on the track? 1.7L is nearly a laps worth of fuel I think (at full speed).
Soldato
They'd need 1L left after that lap for the sample, so that leaves 0.7L max. Which is 0.154 gallons. Hungaroring is 2.722 miles. Meaning on that cooldown lap he'd have had to average 17.675mpg.
I know these hybrids are more efficient, but I'm not sure that they're quite at that level yet.
Caporegime
The rules state it's up to the team to pump it out. It also states the team cannot remove bodywork to get it out. Can't see this going anywhere.
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Exactly. It's covered in the technical regulations, point 6.6.4. Unless they can get it out without removing bodywork, it's immaterial what the team claim.
https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/110
AM say the pump broke.. if they can be allowed to (with FIA supervision) replace pump, they may well succeed in appeal
Caporegime
Yeah, but 6.6.3 already deals with the internal pump having problems, and 6.6.4 clearly rules out replacing the pump. I dunno, it seems completely black and white to me that their appeal cannot succeed, but who knows with the FIA.