Soldato
Didn't LH do very well in Free Practice in the last race as well?Nice to see McLaren getting quickerbeen a while since we seen Lew in the sport headlines for a 'good' reason
HUNGARORING - BUDAPEST - HUNGARY Grand Prix 2009 - Race 10/17
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Soldato
He was in first into T1 in the race as well until Webber hit is rear tire and punctured it.
Soldato
A good race would be LH taking the lead,then slowing down the rest of the field. Would produce overtaking chances with a tight field imo
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calling it now
POLE ham (eddie J eating his word ***)
2nd VET
3rd BUT
4th Kovi
5th WEB
6th BARA
POLE ham (eddie J eating his word ***)
2nd VET
3rd BUT
4th Kovi
5th WEB
6th BARA
I dont understand why so many berate KERS. I think its a fantastic device that can really shake up the field and at least gives some variation to the teams' designers. Otherwise, we would have 20 odd cars, all near identical in performance and shape, all producing lap times within a whisker of eachother.
I for one like the idea of having KERS, especially if you have a driver who is capable of pressing lots of buttons at the right times. Hamilton is probably the best in the field at this as he plays lots and lots of computer/console games, so its almost second nature to him.
If I were McLaren I would seriously consider whether or not abandoning KERS in 2010 would be a good idea. All because other teams dont have drivers who can use KERS effectively, doesnt mean that drivers who can use it well, should suffer.
I for one like the idea of having KERS, especially if you have a driver who is capable of pressing lots of buttons at the right times. Hamilton is probably the best in the field at this as he plays lots and lots of computer/console games, so its almost second nature to him.
If I were McLaren I would seriously consider whether or not abandoning KERS in 2010 would be a good idea. All because other teams dont have drivers who can use KERS effectively, doesnt mean that drivers who can use it well, should suffer.
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POLE ham (eddie J eating his word ***)
2nd VET
3rd BUT
4th Kovi
5th WEB
6th BARA
Did you watch the second practice?
I can't see Vettel getting second unless he is very very light, he is really not happy with his car at this track, really not hooking up well for him.
Soldato
The problem for Vettel is that he's relatively inexperienced at setting up an F1 car compared to his team mate, not helped by the lack of in season testing.
I'd say that's what McLarens problems have stemmed from too. At the end of the day, it's the drivers who have to work the cars so if they can't give sufficient and detailed feedback to the engineers and understand more about what works and doesn't they'll end up suffering overall.
I'd say that's what McLarens problems have stemmed from too. At the end of the day, it's the drivers who have to work the cars so if they can't give sufficient and detailed feedback to the engineers and understand more about what works and doesn't they'll end up suffering overall.
Soldato
Vettel said on the radio that he was having temperature problems with his tyres causing lack of grip, so that's probably why he's slower but I'm guessing that'll be corrected a little(somehow) for quali tomorrow.
Hopefully the Brawns can pick up some pace in the last practice session since the weather is nicely suited to them as opposed to Red Bull. Looking like a nice race if McLaren can keep that practice pace, with the Ferrari's close too.
Hopefully the Brawns can pick up some pace in the last practice session since the weather is nicely suited to them as opposed to Red Bull. Looking like a nice race if McLaren can keep that practice pace, with the Ferrari's close too.
Soldato
While it can help overtaking it is mainly used for defense, if you are slower but have KERS all you need to do is use it when the faster car is about to overtake and it is just enough to stop the other car from coming alongside.
Soldato
I read a 10 page article a while back and although I couldn't cite it (not the most intellectual person you'd meet), it basically summed up that F1 wasn't using the full potential of the KERS system both environmentally and also the power gains that could be gained from it considering the restricted engines they have now.
Indeed. And of course it can be used to attack (overtake).
I see KERS as making racing more exciting. And in all honesty, given that Hamilton has had a bad car most of the season, we havent seen the best of KERS. When we see Hamilton fighting for the leading position, using KERS right to the limit, I think thats when we will see just how exciting it when you have a driver who is good enough to use it.
The processional style of racing is what I want to see less of and I believe KERS does go some way to reduce the predictable procession.
I sincerely hope that in 2010 McLaren do end up keeping it, but somehow I doubt it.
For sure.
Remember this is the first year that F1 is using KERS, so there is a learning/improvement curve involved, both for the teams and for the drivers. The problem is that teams aren't permitted to push the KERS device to its limit...a shame really.
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Yeah, KERS would be a far more enticing and interesting proposition if the FIA had wrapped the whole thing in stupidly restrictive rules from the off so that the only thing they're actually developing towards is a lighter KERS. Take the shackles off and you'll get more interesting KERS and more interesting racing.
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This is true, we saw a simalar situation with LH and FA in the year they were both MM.
As soon as LH stopped getting FA data(well as reported in the press) he dropped off the pace.
Altho i belive Vettle is a class act and i cant wait for him and hamalton to give us Hill Vs Shumie V2
McLaren also seem to be very good at designing excellent driver/system interfaces. They were the only team to get a fiddle brake system working, and their method of switching between maps last year was far neater than say the Ferrari one which appeared to have the control down by the drivers knees.
Though how much of the speed difference is due to the teams using KERs also getting their fundamental design wrong won't be known. The McL now appears to be both fast and running KERs (though their system is probably the most compact out there).
We saw for the first time in the last race the real benefit KERs has when launching the car from close to the front.
Soldato
If they really want energy recovery systems, then bring back turbocharging. Why waste that exhaust gas when it can be used to spin a turbine and cram more air into the engine? You can limit power by banning refuelling (which they seem to be about to do anyway). There's no good reason why they can't bring back forced induction, especially if they really think energy recovery is what they want to push.
As an overtaking tool the old 'push-to-overtake' button that the turbo cars had to temporarily raise the boost worked in much the same fashion as KERS does now, only better.
As an overtaking tool the old 'push-to-overtake' button that the turbo cars had to temporarily raise the boost worked in much the same fashion as KERS does now, only better.
Scenario:
Car2 is behind Car1.
Car2 is KERS equipped.
Car1 has no KERS.
On equal fuel loads and equal tyres, Car2 is likely to be slower. However, Car2, on a lower fuel load should be able to overtake Car1, by using the KERS button.
If Car2 didnt have KERS, then overtaking Car1 might be nigh on impossible, even on a lighter fuel load (as we have seen so many times over the years).
Personally, I would much rather be driving in a KERS car, even if I slightly slower than a non-KERS car. Obviously, if the KERS car is a lot slower, then KERS has to be ditched, but I would be happy to take a 0.1s/lap hit.
Whilst nice in theory, I can't think of a single time that has happened so far this season, compared to numerous occaisons where the opposite has happened and we've had a slower KERS car in front and the faster car can't get past. So whilst your scenario sounds nice, it's something that just isn't happening out on track because like I say, the KERS cars just haven't been quick enough to get into that position even on low fuel loads a lot of the time.
It's something that works well in theory but in practice it just hasn't injected that spark at all.
A1GP shows what happens once everyone has a similar boost button too, so at the moment the only 'excitement' (if you can really call it that) it gives is down to the fact not everyone has it and so they are on unequal footings.
It's something that works well in theory but in practice it just hasn't injected that spark at all.
A1GP shows what happens once everyone has a similar boost button too, so at the moment the only 'excitement' (if you can really call it that) it gives is down to the fact not everyone has it and so they are on unequal footings.