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dmcg · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:28

If this was such a big deal to Ocuk surely they would be selling more than 6 games?

Edrof · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:28

Gibbo said:
It seems the only way.

Use common sense, if such a site is selling an item we don't sell and does not sell items we sell, there is no issue.

If such site sells an item we don't sell but sells many similar items or same items as us then we consider it a competitor. As such Tesco, Amazon and others can fall under this category, were not suggesting that you can't mention them as such but don't be promoting products they sell which we also sell. So say a keyboard, mouse or a laptop. The Kindle however is fine, as is a pack of Redbull from Tesco.

What is strictly against the rules is mentioning of our direct competitors who directly compete with us, this will land you in trouble and probably gain you a holiday.

You all just need to use a little common sense and judgement really and as such we shall allow things to continue as is.

If you can't grasp this then we shall move to a zero tolerance of competitors, so its upto you the users really on how things proceed.

Game/DVD sites such as play, amazon, steam are fine as long as its games your discussing or DVD's, the moment your talking computers, hardware or periphals it becomes a problem!

Right, all that is understandable, but you need to put all of that into an easy-to-digest few sentences (like I did

).

Gibbo · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:29

Swifty55 said:
So the mention of Amazon is allowed if it's not promoting stuff that you sell, excluding games?

Yes, but games are fine, we sell less than 10 different games, so am fine with games chat and other items we don't sell.

Wossi · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:29

Gibbo said:
Read my post and Telescopi, thats the rules, other moderators and staff will be informed and also adhere to those rules.

Thanks, you can see why I was confused though, there was one person saying one thing and another contradicting it.

Tummy · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:29

So that means, I can say Amazon have a great deal on <A Game that OcUK don't sell> ?

CliffyBiro · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:29

Gibbo said:
It seems the only way.

Use common sense, if such a site is selling an item we don't sell and does not sell items we sell, there is no issue.

If such site sells an item we don't sell but sells many similar items or same items as us then we consider it a competitor. As such Tesco, Amazon and others can fall under this category, were not suggesting that you can't mention them as such but don't be promoting products they sell which we also sell. So say a keyboard, mouse or a laptop. The Kindle however is fine, as is a pack of Redbull from Tesco.

What is strictly against the rules is mentioning of our direct competitors who directly compete with us, this will land you in trouble and probably gain you a holiday.

You all just need to use a little common sense and judgement really and as such we shall allow things to continue as is.

If you can't grasp this then we shall move to a zero tolerance of competitors, so its upto you the users really on how things proceed.

Ok I just want to ask a few questions which I think should help clear things up.

1. Amazon can be mentioned, but not in relation to a product sold by OcUK?

2. Steam and other Digital Distributors can be mentioned, but not if the game is also sold by OcUK?

3. Will there be leniency towards this rule rather than insta-suspensions given that it's unreasonable to expect members to check the store before they mention a game deal?

4. Steam/DD Sales. Should screenshots of the sale be censored so they do not include OcUK sold games?

5. Is this the FINAL update on the rules as we have had what must be close to 7 variations.

6. Will/Has Valkia offer/ed an apology to the banned members?

Ace Modder · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:29

Tummy said:
So this would presumably apply to Tesco / Asda and stores of that ilk as they provide both Hardware and peripherals. Across the board yes?

Tesco and ASDA are different they sell there own branded mice and keyboards for example, the local ASDA does not sell branded products which OcUK sell. The site which started the rule discussion does, they are selling the same branded products as OcUK.

I think common sense needs to prevail here.

Gibbo · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:29

Forde said:
Right, all that is understandable, but you need to put all of that into an easy-to-digest few sentences (like I did ).

Feel free to do it for me, English and getting my point across was never my best ability.

Gazanimal · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:29

Most people have common sense & have all the major e-Tailors bookmarked anyway so it's not too hard for people to look before buying anyway.

Bookmarks + Google = best price. Just don't yap about it.

SteveOBHave · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:29

It's a forum run by a business that makes money out of you the customers. They aren't out to make friends, they're out to make money... stop thinking otherwise and everything will be just fine.

ThundyCat · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:29

Mr Krugga said:
You said it was ok to mention Amazon as long as it was regarding games that aren't sold by OcUK.

Now Amazon talk is banned (yet the Kindle thread remains) and so are other business that are "computer" focused.

Which is funny because Amazon's digital service is in no way competing with the 8 retail PC Games that you stock.

The Amazon comment has been removed from the post.

Antar Bolaeisk · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:30

Gibbo said:
You can happily say Asda have a great deal on cream eggs, as we don't sell such items, or a great deal on a PC game.

Though presumably if it's a great deal on a game you stock it's a no-no?

Swifty55 · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:30

Gibbo said:
Yes, but games are fine, we sell less than 10 different games, so am fine with games chat and other items we don't sell.

Ok, that clears up a lot now thank you.

Gibbo · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:30

Ace Modder said:
Tesco and ASDA are different they sell there own branded mice and keyboards for example, the local ASDA does not sell branded products which OcUK sell. The site which started the rule discussion does, they are selling the same branded products as OcUK.

I think common sense needs to prevail here.

On those same products I agree, but saying Amazon have x game deal or x deal on a book is fine and this is how things need to be moving forwards.

Tummy · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:30

I'm still unsure of the rules seeing as different people have posted different things. Which was why I said that a thread shouldn't be created until the rules were set in stone and could be explained in a simple manner. Remember to give examples in the rules thread sticky that I hope you do.

Also, Did enjoy how Ace Modder went for me

Edrof · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:30

Ignore

paradisiac · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:30

do amazon themselves even sell hardware? from the odd times i have looked its been other companies using amazon as a front page.

i kind of think, from the little bits i have read, that the rule is a pretty simple one to make :
-talk about any other company, just do not link/hint at any of their products or prices that are in direct competition with OCUK
-mention any new hardware/peripherals just do not mention where these can be purchased or prices (other than OCUK

penalties - a 3 strike system :
1st strike - warning
2nd strike 7-10 day ban
3rd strike perminant ip ban

or am i missing something in all this?

Edrof · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:31

Gibbo said:
Feel free to do it for me, English and getting my point across was never my best ability.

How's this:

"Please refrain from discussing or linking products sold by competing companies that OcUK also sells."

"To further clarify, prohibited deals are those that offer products that exactly match the ones sold by OcUK. So, discussing deals for digitally downloaded software is fine as OcUK does not currently offer this type of service; whereas discussing deals for hardcopies that are also sold by OcUK is not allowed."

Pighardia · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:31

So to clarify for me-

Amazon have got Crysis for £5 atm = fine

Amazon are selling the >hardware< for £15 = wrong

But Amazon are selling BF3 for £30 atm = Still not quite sure?

andicole0 · 25 Jul 2011 at 15:31

Gibbo said:
You can happily say Asda have a great deal on cream eggs, as we don't sell such items, or a great deal on a PC game.

You can't say Asda however have a great laptop deal as that is directly competing with OcUK!

But you do sell some (very few) PC games so I assume it mustn't be one of those. Then if it's OK for games you don't sell what about laptops that are different to the ones you sell.

I think this hole that everyone seems to be digging is getting rather large

Andi.

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