If next year's consoles do 4k/60..

lovelyhead · 16 Mar 2020 at 19:32

Rock_n_Roll said:
Yep, still far too many limitations on consoles.

Nvidia will release a fire breathing whore of a GPU this year just to undermine the console launches too.

If they do it will need to be at a reasonable price. If they release a card with 2080ti performance for £500 they will keep me as a customer. Any more than that and console it is.

Grim5 · 16 Mar 2020 at 19:34

Rock_n_Roll said:
So, they've almost made an Xbox as powerful as a 3-year-old PC.

Also, i just don't see the point of wasting money on something your PC has been capable of for years.

I'll continue playing through my backlog and upgrade to Nvidia's 4 Series or AMD's equivalent (RDNA 3) in a couple of years.

Next gen consoles can remain on the store shelves as far as i'm concerned.

whos PC???

I bet 90% of the people here don't have a pc as powerful as the 3 year old pc you are referring to. Sorry Mr sli Titan RTX 3990x owner not everyone can be so cool

Panos · 16 Mar 2020 at 19:43

lovelyhead said:
My System (Ryzen 3600, GTX 1080, 16GB DDR4) can't run Gears at those settings at that FPS. Digital Foundry were saying that the Xbox Series X has the equivalent power of a GTX 2080 so assuming that Nvidia release a GTX 3070 with the roughly the same power as a GTX 2080 for say £500 (if we are lucky) then I have a not very hard choice to make. Either upgrade my GPU or buy an Xbox One Series X. If I was upgrading my GPU I would be looking to get something at least equivalent to a 2080Ti (or I may as well just buy an Xbox). I bet the GTX 3080, which will probably be around 2080ti power, will be at least £700.

So spend £700 on a GPU which may or may not be faster than an Xbox Series X due to console optimization or keep my current computer (or even sell it off) and spend about £500 on a new Xbox which will also come with a new controller. It seem like a no brainer to me to go for the console.

One note. The new xbox was running 4K60 the cutscenes, actual gameplay was 4K100 on higher than Ultra settings the PC has and they looking for 4K120 with some game optimization. (it was a quick port job).
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/03/16/xbox-series-x-tech/

This APU is faster than the 2080Ti, on this game by a good 15-20%.

Bellow is a 2080Ti with 9900K at 4K Ultra.

Rock_n_Roll said:
Yep, still far too many limitations on consoles.

Nvidia will release a fire breathing whore of a GPU this year just to undermine the console launches too.

At what price? Anything higher than $400 is DOA. No point spend more when you can get the PS5 or new XBXX.
Motherboard, RAM, CPU, cooler case & PSU would cost more on their own than $500. And we talking about Zen2 based APU having the IF2 running wild with a GDDR6 ram speed & latency.

Rock_n_Roll said:
So, they've almost made an Xbox as powerful as a 3-year-old PC.

Also, i just don't see the point of wasting money on something your PC has been capable of for years.

I'll continue playing through my backlog and upgrade to Nvidia's 4 Series or AMD's equivalent (RDNA 3) in a couple of years.

Next gen consoles can remain on the store shelves as far as i'm concerned.

HAHAHAHA. Yeah sure. Is the RTX2080Ti 3y old? Because no 3y old PC can do 4K60 with ray tracing. Hell doubt 99% of the PCs in this forum can. Kaapstads RTX Titan probably.

Grim5 · 16 Mar 2020 at 19:50

Panos said:
One note. The new xbox was running 4K60 the cutscenes, actual gameplay was 4K100 on higher than Ultra settings the PC has and they looking for 4K120 with some game optimization. (it was a quick port job).
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/03/16/xbox-series-x-tech/

This APU is faster than the 2080Ti, on this game by a good 15-20%.

Bellow is a 2080Ti with 9900K at 4K Ultra.

At what price? Anything higher than $400 is DOA. No point spend more when you can get the PS5 or new XBXX.
Motherboard, RAM, CPU, cooler case & PSU would cost more on their own than $500. And we talking about Zen2 based APU having the IF2 running wild with a GDDR6 ram speed & latency.

HAHAHAHA. Yeah sure. Is the RTX2080Ti 3y old? Because no 3y old PC can do 4K60 with ray tracing. Hell doubt 99% of the PCs in this forum can. Kaapstads RTX Titan probably.

the 120fps mode they want to use for multiplayer is NOT at 4K lol.

don't be silly, go reread the post.

My 2080ti runs gears 5 at 4K ultra 80fps, the Xbox does 60fps with the same settings.

Perfect_Chaos · 16 Mar 2020 at 20:12

I personally think a 3070 will (or should) be more powerful than the new consoles and will be the minimum card i upgrade to being at 1440p. May stretch to a 3080 depending how it looks price/performance wise.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 16 Mar 2020 at 20:32

I am watching the DF video,and it appears RDNA2 compute units are a jack of all trades. They can do FP16/FP32,INT4/INT8 so no need for tensor cores.

Panos · 16 Mar 2020 at 20:46

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I am watching the DF video,and it appears RDNA2 compute units are a jack of all trades. They can do FP16/FP32,INT4/INT8 so no need for tensor cores.

Or RT cores.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 16 Mar 2020 at 20:58

Grim5 said:
the 120fps mode they want to use for multiplayer is NOT at 4K lol.

don't be silly, go reread the post.

My 2080ti runs gears 5 at 4K ultra 80fps, the Xbox does 60fps with the same settings.

DF said the games were quick conversions as proof of concept,and a lot of features were not enabled,and there is optimisations to be had.

Panos said:
Or RT cores.

Hard to say,but DF said that if you included parallel RT operations,the console throughput was around 25TFLOPs. TBF,I am not sure what they meant by that.

imginy · 16 Mar 2020 at 21:13

lovelyhead said:
If they do it will need to be at a reasonable price. If they release a card with 2080ti performance for £500 they will keep me as a customer. Any more than that and console it is.

Im hoping to get faster than a 2080ti for £450.

Panos · 16 Mar 2020 at 21:30

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
DF said the games were quick conversions as proof of concept,and a lot of features were not enabled,and there is optimisations to be had.

Hard to say,but DF said that if you included parallel RT operations,the console throughput was around 25TFLOPs. TBF,I am not sure what they meant by that.

Yeah confused me also. We shall see.

EastCoastHandle · 16 Mar 2020 at 21:40

For point of reference DDr4 3200Mhz = 25.6 GB/s. DDR4 4000Mhz = 35.5GB/s
It really doesn't make much of difference if they use standard or optimal when porting back to the pc.

Furthermore:

Starting @8:11 now it makes sense why they say this console is equivalent to a 2080.

Hedge · 16 Mar 2020 at 22:56

Well I watched the digital foundry video and thought it looked spectacular.

Anyone can start waffling on about how their 2k pc gets higher fps but as a full package of innovative technology this thing looks exciting.

tyler_jrb · 16 Mar 2020 at 23:08

EastCoastHandle said:
For point of reference DDr4 3200Mhz = 25.6 GB/s. DDR4 4000Mhz = 35.5GB/s
It really doesn't make much of difference if they use standard or optimal when porting back to the pc.

Furthermore:

Starting @8:11 now it makes sense why they say this console is equivalent to a 2080.

It’s nice to see DF working its finest again. XSX runs 60fps cutscenes flawlessly. Here’s a comparison. Proceeds to show 2080 running 4k ultra in benchmark mode.

Hell even Titan RTX drops below 60 in benchmark mode.

Only thing I trust is actual side by side comparisons from DF. Everything else is another matter...

VincentHanna · 16 Mar 2020 at 23:47

tyler_jrb said:
It’s nice to see DF working its finest again. XSX runs 60fps cutscenes flawlessly. Here’s a comparison. Proceeds to show 2080 running 4k ultra in benchmark mode.

Eh?

He says "we were shown results of it running flawlessly at 4k/60hz" and then uses stock footage (labelled) from when DF covered Gears of war 5 on PC

He also said "Now we're going to be covering more of this soon, Trust me, John and Alex are all over this one"

PiKe · 17 Mar 2020 at 00:10

Dread to think how much the proprietary 1tb NVME cards are going to cost.

DELETED_195422 · 17 Mar 2020 at 00:41

Aye, just this morning I was thinking what the world needs right now is more proprietary memory formats. :rolleyes:

As for the quick resume feature, nothing new there, i've been switching between multiple games (in windowed mode) instantly on the PC for years. You don't even need to wait 6 seconds.

hyperseven · 17 Mar 2020 at 01:03

Rock_n_Roll said:
Aye, just this morning I was thinking what the world needs right now is more proprietary memory formats.

As for the quick resume feature, nothing new there, i've been switching between multiple games (in windowed mode) instantly on the PC for years. You don't even need to wait 6 seconds.

Alt-tabbing Solitare and Minesweeper is not really the same :rolleyes:

DELETED_195422 · 17 Mar 2020 at 01:14

hyperseven said:
Alt-tabbing Solitare and Minesweeper is not really the same

Nah, more like multiple AAA games. MS just used some BS marketing slogan for it. :rolleyes:

Same goes for their Smart Delivery. You've got to laugh at that one.

GAC · 17 Mar 2020 at 08:00

on the switching between games in a matter of seconds i have a feeling ms has had to have a BIG word with developers and publishers, as dont forget when you fire up a game normally you have 10-15 seconds of adverts for the devs, publisher and either nvidia or amd, being able to just drop back in removes that so im sure we can do it on the pc but would publishers really want it to because of the money they bag from hardware manufacturers ?

VincentHanna · 17 Mar 2020 at 08:11

Well obviously you don't get ads for Nvidia or AMD on console games.