If the charges aren't dropped....

hopefully doesn't get to big of a sentence, i thought provocation was a defense and at 14-15 i wouldn't really class that as a naive kid who doesn't know what they are doing.
 
Why did he pick up this kid , not the next one?

Was he actually trying to kill the kid, or threatening to?

After he hit the kid, did he think the kid was dead?

I don't think he will be convicted of attempted murder. I'm not saying what he did was not a serious offence, but attempted murder can carry a serious jail term, intended for atempted murderers.
 
I sympathise with the guy a little, he must have been under a lot of stress, but that doesn't excuse what he's done.

I reckon this was all caused by MJ's death. If MJ hadn't died, he wouldn't have been in the minds of the pupils, so they probably wouldn't have thought about "the psycho in the mirror", and the teacher might not have snapped.

MJ should go down for attempted murder. Oh, wait...
 
BigglesPiP said:
Why did he pick up this kid , not the next one?

Was he actually trying to kill the kid, or threatening to?

After he hit the kid, did he think the kid was dead?

I don't think he will be convicted of attempted murder. I'm not saying what he did was not a serious offence, but attempted murder can carry a serious jail term, intended for atempted murderers.
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Why did he pick this kid? "straw that broke the camels back" scenario? Or maybe the kid started the singing and was singled out.
A threat to kill, then smashing him on the head? kinda clear that one :p

He might not go down for AM, but, its a good place to start for a charge. It can be down graded if needs be, rather than aiming for GBH.
 
Has anyone seen the picture of the child in the news? He actually looks like the lary little idiot who would provoke this sort of thing in the first place (not condoning the teachers actions but the child looked so like the sort of kid that deserved it either way).

Anyway it just reminds me of secondary school with teachers who used to just shout when they were sent over the edge, it always happened and so many students wouldnt get expelled for it (well some were, but htey were nicking science equiptment for drug dealing and so on, or just not allowed back into 6th form ever)

Got that feeling the children in the class room's stories are going to be a bit exagerated and not really match up as most 14 year old students have a tendency to urm miss interpretate the truth some times...
 
Very tragic for both the boy and the teacher really, that it escalated to this.

For what it's worth, I'll chuck my 2 pence in as a teacher.

I teach in a Ofsted 'Outstanding' school, although our grades aren't phenomenal and we have a higher than average kids on free school meals, with SEN etc. We have kids who are incredibly difficult, regularly isolated, put onto alternative courses - things like that. At worse though they are mildly intimidating, usually just loud, late, frustrating.

I think the kids in his class were not 'bad' kids, the ones that would be excluded or isolated. I think they were more likely to actually be quite bright - and it's those kids that are the worst when they choose not to behave. It's easy enough to coerce the nutters with a detention threat or a bit of shouting, but brighter kids laugh it off and have a strong group mentality. They can quickly round on a teacher, become incredibly intimidating and threatening and know all the buttons to press.

Fortunately, I've never experienced it, but know colleagues in the school who have and have taken time off with stress; they're perhaps victims of the subjects they teach or just lack the authority for it to escalate.

Judging by some of the more positive comments about the teacher, I don't imagine him to be a teacher who has ever lacked authority or the ability to mesmerise a class into working for him - that's certainly the easiest way of maintaining control. He was quite clearly ill.

However, knowing the worst kids in our school, I would never hit one. I'll admit to wanting to thump a couple of them in the gob on several occasions, not that it would actually solve anything. What he's done is inexcusable.
 
Morba said:
the question from JL was 'what would you have done if it was your stall' ;]
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Again, read as 'what would you do in his position', because the stall holder who had the balloons wasn't even mentioned in the story it wouldn't make any sense to ask that.
 
Telescopi said:
The teacher couldn't control an unruly classroom, many (perhaps most) teachers can.

But should crowd control be a requirement for teaching, isn't being a good teacher enough?

I'd say bring back corporal punishment, it's easier and doesn't need special talents to perform, and despite what we're told, it works pretty well.

The alternative is teachers who can't control the mob (and really, why should they?) being put in impossible positions and eventually snapping like this.
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Missing.String said:
I imagine corporal punishment would lead to situations whereby students hit back, or even a class of students attacking a teacher to defend a student.
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Not really as the kid that plays up is sent to the head teacher and it is done in his office.

Well thats the way it was done when I was a kid.
And the kids that played up to much got expelled with out question.
 
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This teacher should get the maximum penalty for his crime and any teacher who strikes in support should be sacked immediately as they're clearly far too stupid to teach and should probably get a job as a postman or something.
 
deuse said:
No really as the kid that plays up is sent to the head teacher and it is done in his office.
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If it were me, I would feel inclined to hit the headteacher back. I'm not trying to come across as aggressive but I'm really not sure how you can use violence as a form of "education".

So much for civilisation. :/

Also gotta consider the social implications; many parents would be up in arms about having their children beaten.
 
It's not education, it's punishment.

If a pupil finds himself struggling to understand why he or she has red welts on their ass then their parents have a lot of questions to answer.
 
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