Incident outside parliament in london - developing now

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I don't think I was claiming all migrant are terrorists?

In 2016 there was 774,835 live births (ONS figures) and 28.2% of thoose live births were to women born outside the UK (218,503)

Net migration that year was 'down' to 248,000

So total 'new' population that year was 1,022,835 of which the component for UK born mothers was 556,332 so we are at a point where people coming into the UK and children born to non UK mothers will outnumber children born to UK mothers. How's integration going to work out with figures like that?

I dunno stop being ******** and they might socialise more?
 
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You completely avoided answering my question.

I agree population growth is bad. It's causing massive millage of earth resources.

But I think my reasons for wanting there to be control over worldwide population levels are different to what you're thinking about? maybe.
 
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Yes. Population of UK is about 65,000,000. 200,000 immigrants is pretty much nothing.

Also, if there are 200,000 immigrants in the uk, why aren't there 200,000 terrorist attacks?

200000 per year is a huge number, it’s not so much the immigrants, it’s the infrastructure, the schools, the NHS is not upgraded to cope with the extra numbers. It leads to resentment of immigrants as we see now.
 
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I agree population growth is bad. It's causing massive millage of earth resources.

But I think my reasons for wanting there to be control over worldwide population levels are different to what you're thinking about? maybe.
It also doesn't work particularly well with something massively unnatural, a welfare state. The way you deal with the welfare state is by having an equally unnatural counter-measure. Contraception. Unfortunately some people don't like to use it. See pumping billions of pounds/dollars into Africa with little progress other than making their population boom. I find it quite hilarious that in a lot of western countries the birth rate is below the replacement rate and they'll subsidise other countries to boost their birth rate.
 
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Never ever going to happen, British business would collapse within seconds, it's already begun, so i'm sitting with the proverbial popcorn.

If immigration is so necessary why aren't counties with net emigration collapsing?

Druggies may die if you remove their poison to soon.... Doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to manage them of their dependancy...


I would not advocate for massive reductions overnight but a steady concerted effort to reduce overall numbers and increase the average capabilities of thoose who do immigrate.
 
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200000 per year is a huge number, it’s not so much the immigrants, it’s the infrastructure, the schools, the NHS is not upgraded to cope with the extra numbers. It leads to resentment of immigrants as we see now.
See my Dad's village. Small village, small roads, one small shop, one small GP. The roads are already pretty bad with a lot of people parking on one side of the road meaning it's a single lane a lot of the time. And they've just decided to build a couple hundred houses, with absolutely no provision to increase public transport (there is a bus route and no train station, so that means more cars), no provision to increase the capacity of the GP etc. I'm fairly sure this is a common tale all across the country.

Rather than tackle the increase in demand for housing (see population increase) they'll just increase the supply. But ignore all the detrimental effects this has on other peoples lives. Great.
 
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See my Dad's village. Small village, small roads, one small shop, one small GP. The roads are already pretty bad with a lot of people parking on one side of the road meaning it's a single lane a lot of the time. And they've just decided to build a couple hundred houses, with absolutely no provision to increase public transport (there is a bus route and no train station, so that means more cars), no provision to increase the capacity of the GP etc. I'm fairly sure this is a common tale all across the country.

Rather than tackle the increase in demand for housing (see population increase) they'll just increase the supply. But ignore all the detrimental effects this has on other peoples lives. Great.

Oh i dunno, how about turning up to Council planning meetings to voice the concerns you have for increased supply of infrastructure? Sounds more like apathy and **** council to me.

Moaning after the fact is a bit farcical.
 
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Oh i dunno, how about turning up to Council planning meetings to voice the concerns you have for increased supply of infrastructure? Sounds more like apathy and **** council to me.

Moaning after the fact is a bit farcical.
You don't think they did and it got ignored. Brilliant, fantastic analysis and completely ignoring the point. But well done condescension will solve all the problems.
 
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You don't think they did and it got ignored. Brilliant, fantastic analysis and completely ignoring the point. But well done condescension will solve all the problems.

That's not proof of anything, and they can easily lodge an official complaint or even take it to court, did they?

/hint: no if's no maybes.
 
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Oh i dunno, how about turning up to Council planning meetings to voice the concerns you have for increased supply of infrastructure? Sounds more like apathy and **** council to me.

Moaning after the fact is a bit farcical.

Where exactly are the local authority going to magic the money up for this new infrastructure?

Our goverment already spends more money than it collects by a large amount and has done so for many years.
 
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Where exactly are the local authority going to magic the money up for this new infrastructure?

Our goverment already spends more money than it collects by a large amount and has done so for many years.

By telling the construction firms to pony up the cash themselves or just you know not building the houses in a small rural area?

It's not exactly difficult unless said council is corrupt, then i'd question why people are voting them in, maybe they enjoy the collective shafting.
 
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By telling the construction firms to pony up the cash themselves or just you know not building the houses in a small rural area?

It's not exactly difficult unless said council is corrupt, then i'd question why people are voting them in, maybe they enjoy the collective shafting.

The profit margins in construction industry are very low



They will need to pass on any additional costs...

What magical new areas of land are available for extensive new builds that aren't 'rural'
 
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