Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

Gerard said:
According to the director there have been zero test screenings. Sounds like typical internet hyperbole whipping up drama where there is none.

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He went ape last year when leaks came out about Indy getting replaced.

And BS on no test screenings it's pretty much mandatory for big budget films. They have Investor's to answer to.

We seen see anyhow trailer pretty vague and he is a good director but this is spear headed by KK.

So Indy is probably searching for "hotwife" for someone to service Marion.
 
Gerard said:
According to the director there have been zero test screenings. Sounds like typical internet hyperbole whipping up drama where there is none.
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Those were posted a month ago. There may well have been test screenings since.

Honestly though, why spend time on these rumours? They might be true, they might not, they might fix the problems with the test screenings before release anyway. Until the film is actually released it's all near meaningless. And let's face, most of us will watch it anyway no matter how badly it reviews.
 
Meddling-Monk said:
Well, there was talk about how the fx on the new Terminator was off in that latest Terminator film (I forget which now), and that it's "only the trailers" and that it'll get fixed. But it turns out those were the final vfx shots. So I would say "in general", the expectation is there's a good chance there's more to be done and added, but this is not a certainty by any means anymore. Gone are the days when incomplete shots are used in place of completed ones in order to get a trailer out until the real (money) shot is incorporated and reincorporated into the film. There days, it's more about "saving money" and accepting "good enough" work instead of asking for the best.
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The shot you're referring to in dark fate im guessing is the one of the rev 9 throwing the metal bar. It was updated for the final movie and looks much more like the actor, its hard to get a good screenshot of it due to motion blur, but comparing the final effect on the left vs the trailer on the right its obvious the left one has been updated a lot to look like the actor.


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Gerard said:
The shot you're referring to in dark fate im guessing is the one of the rev 9 throwing the metal bar. It was updated for the final movie and looks much more like the actor, its hard to get a good screenshot of it due to motion blur, but comparing the final effect on the left vs the trailer on the right its obvious the left one has been updated a lot to look like the actor.


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That's the film in question, but that's not the vfx shot in question. It's a scene where the nanobots is being made to look like it's moving like a liquid as they reformed ahead on a vehicle I believe, but the vfx done was instead done like someone took the smudge tool and pushed the particles on the vfx instead without checking whether it conforms to the films 3d space, but instead it moved in relation the screen as the anchor point and thus looks wrong. That was the same in the final release last I checked.
 
Meddling-Monk said:
That's the film in question, but that's not the vfx shot in question. It's a scene where the nanobots is being made to look like it's moving like a liquid as they reformed ahead on a vehicle I believe, but the vfx done was instead done like someone took the smudge tool and pushed the particles on the vfx instead without checking whether it conforms to the films 3d space, but instead it moved in relation the screen as the anchor point and thus looks wrong. That was the same in the final release last I checked.
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I didnt notice anything looking wrong about the "nano" component of the rev9. It's meant to be a different tech from the T1000 so behaves differently. You're saying it looks wrong but it's something that only exists in vfx format vs real life. You could also say the rev 9 jumping in the movie looks wrong because humans can't do what it does, but thats just part and parcel of the movie.


I'm more surprised you didn't pick up on the images above in the first teaser trailer as that's what a lot of people noticed right away as not looking great. But it's stil an example of vfx improving as the post processing carries on.
 
Gerard said:
I didnt notice anything looking wrong about the "nano" component of the rev9. It's meant to be a different tech from the T1000 so behaves differently. You're saying it looks wrong but it's something that only exists in vfx format vs real life. You could also say the rev 9 jumping in the movie looks wrong because humans can't do what it does, but thats just part and parcel of the movie.


I'm more surprised you didn't pick up on the images above in the first teaser trailer as that's what a lot of people noticed right away as not looking great. But it's stil an example of vfx improving as the post processing carries on.
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The issue was not whether it was looking like something in real life or not. At the start of the shot, the movement of the particles moved in relation the films 3d space and it was in a fluid like motion of particles; particles that ran over each other as they traversed. As the camera panned in that shot, the motion of the particles stuck in relation to the camera, accelerating some of the particles in some areas and slowing some in others, it wasn't unnatural in a sense that its advanced tech, alien, or anything, just that it looked like bad vfx. At that point it no longer followed its previously established attributes, as though they were being pushed through the use of a smudge tool instead of bothering to continue the previously established motion that would have cost more to do due to the physics involved. That particular vfx wasn't improved on between trailer and final release. Even though it was suggested then that it was only a trailer and would be improved before release.

As for the shot you are highlighting, the reason I didn't highlight it, was because it was covered by others already in that thread and elsewhere, not that I didn't notice. Also, scenes like that can be updated more easily than the issue I raised as there's no expensive physics needed to be worked on to make the scene consistent. Again, a matter of cost. Unlike how things were done before, where early vfx clearly was early and can't pass for use on final release and so there we improvements made, these days early vfx work can often, when budget demands, be used instead as its "good enough". So thats why I said it's not a guarantee that there'll be improvements made when it comes to final release.
 
Bigpig said:
He went ape last year when leaks came out about Indy getting replaced.

And BS on no test screenings it's pretty much mandatory for big budget films. They have Investor's to answer to.

We seen see anyhow trailer pretty vague and he is a good director but this is spear headed by KK.

So Indy is probably searching for "hotwife" for someone to service Marion.
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I'm really fed up with old heroes have their 'daughters' take over to carry on the mantel, seriously did they drink nothing but soya milk and tap water laced with estrogen? I always roll my eyes these days when it's yet another 'daughter', weird how they never have sons, isn't it? The next Avengers movie it going to be mostly women and it feels like they did a gender swap of the first movie and snuck it under the door.
 
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Nitefly said:
Looking forward to this, hopefully better than Crystal Skull.

I’m not going to waste time overly scrutinising a trailer.
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Thats a low bar tbh. Pretty much any film released since the Crystal Skull has been better than the Crystal Skull. Was so disappointed in that film. Even went to the Imax to see it as well
 
Greebo said:
Thats a low bar tbh. Pretty much any film released since the Crystal Skull has been better than the Crystal Skull. Was so disappointed in that film. Even went to the Imax to see it as well
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I’m looking forward to seeing Indy back in action. I’m also hoping it’s better than Crystal Skull.

I’m not saying I will be content if it’s ‘just as good’ or ‘slightly better’ than Crystal Skull - I didn’t like that one.

I think I’ll go with Last Crusade on Christmas Day this time :)
 
I actually didn't mind Crystal Skull too much right up until about the last 20 minutes or so when it was totally ruined by inter-dimensional nonsense!

I keep meaning to buy the Indiana Jones Blu-Ray box set so I can watch them all on the big screen again (SkyBoxVR) but can't decide whether to wait for Indy 5 to come out first as that's very likely to be the last one (in case it's any good) unless they wait another 10 years for Harrison Ford to be wandering around in a zimmer frame :P.
 
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