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Intel bug incoming? Meltdown and Spectre exploits

keyser said:
As bad at this is its not as bad as Windows 98 where people could open my CDROM drive and BSOD nuke me once they knew my IP address.. good times :) I guess they're examples of writable attacks! This is read-only.
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They read sensitive enough information that they can then perform write actions... Just because the vulnerability doesn't directly write don't let that fool you.
 
Rroff said:
Gonna be an interesting one for me - one of the reasons I've stuck with the 4820K over Ryzen was that some of the compiler stuff I do runs seriously faster even with max threading on it over AMD that said I can just air gap a machine for that and run it unpatched if it came to it.
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From that tweet he was using java. Im not too sure how many home users compile things in java. But it looks like its a considerable hit.
I have a feeling that many wont be updating their bios.
 
jigger said:
CPU prices will probably stay the same. I've seen a few under RRP but most will pretty much hold RRP. The hit will be retailers will sell a lot less so less orders will be made.
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I'm going to ring the Citizens Advice bureau telephone number on Monday to see what our rights are as consumers in this mess.
 
Cromulent said:
I'm going to ring the Citizens Advice bureau telephone number on Monday to see what our rights are as consumers in this mess.
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jigger said:
It should be a full refund.
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Somehow I doubt that. The supplier would argue that a "fix" is being made available, albeit with a possible variable slowdown. People who bought a diesel VW didn't get a full refund. I suspect that you will get nothing.
 
stockhausen said:
Somehow I doubt that. The supplier would argue that a "fix" is being made available, albeit with a possible variable slowdown. People who bought a diesel VW didn't get a full refund. I suspect that you will get nothing.
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Well that is against the spirit of the law. Sure the other side has an argument but we haven't got a fix yet and it will take months, maybe years to pan out.
 
stockhausen said:
Somehow I doubt that. The supplier would argue that a "fix" is being made available, albeit with a possible variable slowdown. People who bought a diesel VW didn't get a full refund. I suspect that you will get nothing.
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What a wonderful mess! ;)
 
jigger said:
Well that is against the spirit of the law. ...
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Unfortunately, it is the letter of the law that counts, not the spirit.
jigger said:
... Sure the other side has an argument but we haven't got a fix yet and it will take months, maybe years to pan out.
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As I understand it, a fix will be available within days, certainly for recent CPUs; I agree that older CPUs and Motherboards may not get a decent fix for a very long time, if ever.
 
stockhausen said:
Unfortunately, it is the letter of the law that counts, not the spirit.
As I understand it, a fix will be available within days, certainly for recent CPUs; I agree that older CPUs and Motherboards may not get a decent fix for a very long time, if ever.
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Depends what side of the law you stand on I think. It will take some time to fix this problem and all the problems the fixes bring.
 
jigger said:
It should be a full refund.
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hmmm. i'm not sure why. the chips work as intended, the threat only occurs if someone actively hacks/exploits something. if it were an example of the chips randomly running hot and exploding through bad design, i could agree w/ you, but so far i can't.
 
Well, updated windows last night and now where as yesterday I was playing Shadow of Mordor fine on one monitor and watching a video and having other things open on the second monitor, today everything on the second monitor is crawling with insane response times listed in resource monitor and video freezing while the audio keeps playing.

With this being a systems call issue then, is task switching getting hit hard? Is benchmarks of a single application and priority going to show no performance hit but trying to do more than one thing at once potentially hit much much harder? This is on a 5820k setup.

I mean something else may have screwed up in the update as I think it did more than just the security update. I'm going to mess with reinstalling graphics drivers and some other crap but my system went from smooth as hell doing multiple things alongside gaming to absolutely unable to do this at all.
 
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