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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

delpy8 said:
Just a heads up on the new CPU, there is now a free bundle of a game and something else but for anyone who preordered and got it early they lost out for some reason :(
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That was quick!

As in bundles are often a sign of desperation if something isn't selling.

I'm probably being a bit cynical here as Intel couldn't have organised a bundle in response to the poor reviews in two days. But then again they had their internal performance results months ago.
 
Grim5 said:
Because Intel advertises this CPU as efficient, the efficiency is its major selling point not its performance. So yes out of the box it's efficient if you don't care about performance

Then some people said just wait till it gets tuned, then the beast comes out

Ok, so now we have tuning results and it causes power draw to go up, killing the efficiency, you know, the main selling point of the product

Sorry but I just don't see the point of buying a 285k, then tuning the cap out of it, buying expensive cu-dimm ram, tuning the crap out of that, just to get the same power draw and performance as an existing 14900k has

What a waste of 3nm silicon, I don't know what Intel did with the supposed improvements over 14900k's 10nm node...
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intel focuses more on core E than core P here I find that for 3nm even amd would have done better I'm disgusted and that's why I left Intel I have a 7800x3d and a 9700x in my PCs and nothing to say arrowflop is just disappointing
 
arknor said:
why do people care about efficiency? run gpuz and watch how many watts the gpu is pulling with different settings in games.

worrying about 50 watts or whatever.. the battle is literally in your mind.


worrying about efficiency but probably have about 50 watts of RGB lighting, where's the logic?
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My simple take on it was that this new CPU was more power efficient so less heat and power and did honestly expect better results,
 
KompuKare said:
That was quick!

As in bundles are often a sign of desperation if something isn't selling.

I'm probably being a bit cynical here as Intel couldn't have organised a bundle in response to the poor reviews in two days. But then again they had their internal performance results months ago.
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No no this was a bundle that was to be released with the cpu as some other retailers had the game included all over the product page.
 
From one of the guys in our group:
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His OC notes:

"For 2x16 a-die Basically Gigabyte 4dimmers kinda top out at 8000 and even that is kinda unstable.
Gigabyte needs the DDR5 Booster to work most of the time, otherwise no postOCF topped out at 8400 and that was annoying too.
8000 was kinda the only thing that worked For 2x24 m-die most 4dimmers should do over 8000 comfortably but unknown stability, we'll find out
OCF comfortably goes to 9000 and slightly over but over 8800 it becomes hard to stabilize and I've seen some CPUs being unable to go over 8600.
Memory stability will only be relevant with NGU and D2D OC otherwise it's slow as ****.
NGU and D2D should comfortably do 30-32. 34 is where it'll start being annoying about voltages.
For me OCF has bugged VNNAON so it can't do over 34x D2D and NGU stopped scaling over 34x"

You can follow this livestreams here as well:
 
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CuriousTomCat said:
1080 Ti heatsink weighs 1.2 kilograms
4090 heatsink weighs 2.0 kilograms

The heatsink required to cool a GPU has nearly doubled in just 5 years. At this rate, the RTX 7090 heatsink will weigh nearly 4.0 kilograms.

Intel have been doing the same. Instead of innovating, Intel just increased the power requirements each gen it seams. Clocking them to within an inch of their life (or an inch beyond their life in a lot of instances). Do you think that's okay? Would you have been happy if next gen needed more power than 14th gen? Then even more power for the gen after that? I think Intel's current CPUs are a step in the right direction.

Nvidia needs to do what Intel and AMD are doing right now. I would be happy if the RTX 5090 used 60% less power than the 4090 but was only 5% slower. Then for the RTX 6090 to have a HUGE 70% performance improvement with no increase in power. That would impress me.
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Depends on use case such as how many hours a day a system is in use and heavy load vs light load/system idling. Most gamers want the performance and will say sod it to efficiency. The electricity cost difference 60% energy savings would make to someone gaming lets say 2 hours a day probably isn't worth the performance loss to them.
NV and others should probably focus a bit more on system idling/light loads. Reading another post in this threat, a 4090 seems to use 15-40 watts idling (using the stats two forum members provided). I checked a 4070 and it only uses 5-6 Watts.
Intel CPU's recently, despite being power hungry beasts under heavy load, have been competitive under light load/system idle state I think, due to the use of e-cores.
 
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Legion said:
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Intel Z890 motherboards may require an immediate BIOS update ASUS has sent out a note to reviewers that there might be an issue with their Intel Z890 motherboards when updating the operating system. According to a message posted by El Chapuzas Informático, Z890 motherboards may experience...
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Thanks to all the beta testers here your sacrifice is appreciated
 
Robert896r1 said:
From one of the guys in our group:
D5-9000_42-54_TM5.png


His OC notes:

"For 2x16 a-die Basically Gigabyte 4dimmers kinda top out at 8000 and even that is kinda unstable.
Gigabyte needs the DDR5 Booster to work most of the time, otherwise no postOCF topped out at 8400 and that was annoying too.
8000 was kinda the only thing that worked For 2x24 m-die most 4dimmers should do over 8000 comfortably but unknown stability, we'll find out
OCF comfortably goes to 9000 and slightly over but over 8800 it becomes hard to stabilize and I've seen some CPUs being unable to go over 8600.
Memory stability will only be relevant with NGU and D2D OC otherwise it's slow as ****.
NGU and D2D should comfortably do 30-32. 34 is where it'll start being annoying about voltages.
For me OCF has bugged VNNAON so it can't do over 34x D2D and NGU stopped scaling over 34x"

You can follow this livestreams here as well:
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Nearly 70ns, still very high, not good
 
Clock speed degradation even with ln2 as well

Intel clock speed records:
  • 285K: 7.49 GHz
  • 14900KS: 9.11 GHz
  • 13900K: 9.01 GHz
  • 12900KS: 7.80 GHz
  • 11900K: 7.31 GHz
  • 10900K: 7.71 GHz
  • 9900K: 7.61 GHz
  • 8700K: 7.43 GHz
  • 7740X: 7.56 GHz
  • 7700K: 7.38 GHz
  • 6700K: 7.05 GHz
  • 4770K: 7.19 GHz
  • 3770K: 7.19 GHz
 
shankly1985 said:
Embarrassing release from Intel. It just keeps getting worse for the company.

Every release as been extra power Hungry chips to get even close to Ryzen. Then in the effort to lower power consumption intel falls further behind.

Intel is in a very difficult position right now.
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Same as Boeing. From around 2005, the company has been led by sales rather than engineering.

They have been trying to sort out the problems, trying to catch up, and they are on the right track now, it's just a question of surviving the storm.

At least the new CPU's are good for business, but they look like they are about to be a gaming disaster. I'm just hoping they can pull a rabbit out of a hat and save these CPU's.
 
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Legion said:
videocardz.com

Intel Z890 motherboards facing crashes and reboots when upgrading to Win11 24H2, BIOS updated required - VideoCardz.com

Intel Z890 motherboards may require an immediate BIOS update ASUS has sent out a note to reviewers that there might be an issue with their Intel Z890 motherboards when updating the operating system. According to a message posted by El Chapuzas Informático, Z890 motherboards may experience...
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I’ve not had a single crash or issue with mine but on my Gigabyte board the intel igpu was disabled by default when using a dgpu.
 
The problem with sales people is they dont listen to engineers - so its up to all of us to NOT BUY THEM and spread the word how utter **** they are - when their bottom line falls through the floor then will then listen to the engineers more, sadly its the way the world works, idiotic, but how its done.

They have billions, plenty to survive this storm, they just need a kick up their arse to get it done right.
 
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Combat squirrel said:
The problem with sales people is they dont listen to engineers - so its up to all of us to NOT BUY THEM and spread the word how utter **** they are - when their bottom line falls through the floor then will then listen to the engineers more, sadly its the way the world works, idiotic, but how its done.

They have billions, plenty to survive this storm, they just need a kick up their arse to get it done right.
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They realised their mistake some years ago, but its not something that can be turned around overnight. This release of CPU's could be devastating to them, though.
 
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