Got my sample today, no board to test though
I assume UK stock arrives towards the tail in the next week, looking forward to testing the Apex and OCF out.
I have very high hopes for the OCF, as Nick Shih has been working his magic
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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851
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I assume UK stock arrives towards the tail in the next week, looking forward to testing the Apex and OCF out.
I have very high hopes for the OCF, as Nick Shih has been working his magic
This to be honest, as I think the end-to-end process is around 5 years.
Pat's predecessor Bob Swan, was known for being a bean counter rather than technical which is one of the reasons for the mess I'd assume today. Panther Lake and subsequent CPUs will have been more under Pats watch, as he has heavily bet on 18A.
I know. Jesus I just can't bring myself to click on them. They look so retarded.
Best case scenario - Intel refreshes the 15th generation with a die shrink to 20a (2nm) in 2025, for desktops. They resign the chip to integrate the memory controller onto the CPU tile.
Is the 20a process really dead, I wonder? Are those foundries gonna remain idle for another year?
Risk production on 18a won't be until the end of this year apparently, so products may not see the light of day until 2026:
en.wikipedia.org
Is the 20a process really dead, I wonder? Are those foundries gonna remain idle for another year?
Risk production on 18a won't be until the end of this year apparently, so products may not see the light of day until 2026:
2 nm process - Wikipedia
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In all seriousness, it's something to do with the algorithm. If you have an open 'surprise/omg' mouth,it apparently generates more clicks. Not from me though, I'm retarded enough as is
I think this is the most impressive overview of new 15th generation CPUs like the 285K that I've seen:
Lots of automated testing used to easily show the differences between CPUs.
The 285K just isn't handling games like Cyberpunk, particularly with RT enabled. The 12900K is handling this game much better.
In other games like Starfield, the 285K fairs much better.
Lots of automated testing used to easily show the differences between CPUs.
The 285K just isn't handling games like Cyberpunk, particularly with RT enabled. The 12900K is handling this game much better.
In other games like Starfield, the 285K fairs much better.
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Soldato
Yes. They missed a number of opportunities to grow the company (smartphones, graphics cards, AI) and generally failed to be innovative. By the time they realised their mistake it was 2017. They have been trying to sort themselves out ever since then, but of course they have suffered some major setbacks of late.
Personally, I am not sure how long I will wait. I don't upgrade CPU all that often, but usually inside about three years or so. At the moment I have a 12700K. I was planning to upgrade it this year, and I usually stick to what I know, so it would have been intel. I've shelved those plans. I guess I will wait another year and see what happens. It's disappointing, though. Once I get the upgrade bug I have to build something! I might buy a new case and cooler or something.
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what is starfield doing that the other games are not?
or is it what are the other games doing that starfield is not? at a programming level?
meh scrub it.
or is it what are the other games doing that starfield is not? at a programming level?
meh scrub it.
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Starfield uses a very old game engine that is probably poorly threaded
So perhaps a case of Errorlake struggling with new game engines
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Best case scenario - Intel refreshes the 15th generation with a die shrink to 20a (2nm) in 2025, for desktops. They resign the chip to integrate the memory controller onto the CPU tile.
Is the 20a process really dead, I wonder? Are those foundries gonna remain idle for another year?
Risk production on 18a won't be until the end of this year apparently, so products may not see the light of day until 2026:
2 nm process - Wikipedia
18A first product is Clearwater Forest and launch is expected in June/July next year, around a year after Sierra Forest. Panther lake should be Q4. There are not that many differences between 20A and 18A, and judging by the DD published for 18A it should be already a pretty healthy node (compute tile of panther lake should have around a 60% yield a year before launch). Nova Lake is probably 18AP which provides a 10% improvement in perf per watt. But that’s late 26.
Edit: and yes 20A is dead and I don’t expect a ARL-S refresh if it happens on 18A, it will probably still use N3B
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I am looking forward to seeing how you get on with it
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I've written a reply about four times now and each time ended up deleting it.
You know, I am a huge intel fan. I have never bought anything other than intel. It pains me to say this, but AMD are so, so much better right now, and it doesn't matter how I try to justify an intel purchase, I really can't.
Although it is sometimes as good as the 14700k, there are times when it certainly is not.
And to make matters worse, we still don't really know for sure if the problems with the 14700K have been resolved.
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Apparently L3 cache latency is… abysmal. The more intensive the game is on the L3 the worse it performs.
It has been reported Lunar Lake has LionCove+ with a better memory hierarchy.
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They need to maintain this efficiency, fix the scheduling, latency issues and next gen should perform well. ~230w for 47k is pretty sick and it’s not voltage floored.