Tbh, I call BS on 18a being further along then 20a.
Intel has been very quiet about 20a in general, initially saying how well it was coming along.
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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851
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Intel has been very quiet about 20a in general, initially saying how well it was coming along.
They knew about it ages ago I bet. But, Intel seems to want to stick to a schedule, whatever happens.
Bang out these nodes, wasn't the promise meant to be 5 nodes in 4 years? Or something OTT.
I suppose the problem is - That doesn't really count if they are using TSMC 3nm instead of their own 20a.
I wonder if the 15th gen design had to be backported to TSMC 3nm, and that explains the weird issues.
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The problem is these scenes are crap, BG3 outside of BGC even more so (the beginning area is solely GPU-bound). You need proper CPU-stressing scenes to figure out if that theory holds in the scenarios that matter.
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that would be a neat trick considering "backporting" is a software related process 
the circuit layout is what it is.
www.tomshardware.com
"the last of us" game seemed to compare slightly more favourably for ARL than some other Games.
the circuit layout is what it is.
Asus shares official die shots of the Core Ultra 9 285K — In-depth annotations break down Intel's disaggregated approach
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"the last of us" game seemed to compare slightly more favourably for ARL than some other Games.
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lol imagine buying the 285k just to find out the "best" gaming performance from the chip is when you disable all the xtra core except one
Intel single core CPUs are back baby! To the moon!
Oh, I see, In this case they are disabling the E-cores at the top, and 2 P -cores at the bottom (and it actually functions better). What a stupid design.
So, maybe if they built a P core only model (e.g. with 8 cores), it would help a lot with latency issues.
Intel apparently made a P core only 14900k. Time to release a P core only 285k?
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Yep lol, buy a 245k, disable some cores and overclock to the moon, that's the best performance and cheapest
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Well, if that anaylsis is correct. They could bump up the clocks too, and call it the 285KS, or maybe 290K.
Unfortunately, the 245K will suffer from the same issues due to having the same chip layout / SKU. But I think you'd just need to disable some of the E-Cores for that CPU.
But, it's still better value...
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AMD 7800X3D is 160% of Intels latest in cyberpunk at times!! WOW!!
The 9800x3D is going to absolutely rail intel this time, I mean, obliterate it !!
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I was a bit put off by the lower clocks of the 7800X3D's lower clocks (than the 7700X).
So, it performs less well in a few cases.
But the 9800X3D looks like it will be an excellent all rounder. It looks like they have solved the thermal issues largely.
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484-525 USD for that 9800X3D is what I'm reading.
I'd expect 800 plus AUD, after conversion plus other. the cpu im now decided on is a bit more than half that price.
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ARL. apart from the raw games fps benchmarks. i wonder if ARL has any other inherent problems? in terms of stability?
temps and power usage, and voltage i suppose vs 14th /13th is still , to me, an improvement. especially if you can actually utilise all those higher clocked e-cores.
if its just games benchies, move along. close the book. adios.
7800x3d is power efficiency doubleplusgood.
I'd expect 800 plus AUD, after conversion plus other. the cpu im now decided on is a bit more than half that price.
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ARL. apart from the raw games fps benchmarks. i wonder if ARL has any other inherent problems? in terms of stability?
temps and power usage, and voltage i suppose vs 14th /13th is still , to me, an improvement. especially if you can actually utilise all those higher clocked e-cores.
if its just games benchies, move along. close the book. adios.
7800x3d is power efficiency doubleplusgood.
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Interesting, but I will believe it when I see it. Gone are the days when things were simple and predictable. If it is as good as the hype, then I might get one.
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If Samsung don't buy them first....
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More likely arm or Qualcomm. Who, believe it or not, are actually bigger than intel now.
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Just about everyone is bigger than Intel now.
Apple: $3.55tn
Nvidia: $3.5tn
Samsung: $280bn
AMD: $255bn
Qualcomm: $190bn
Texas Instruments: $190bn
Intel: $100bn
Nvidia could easily swallow them but wont, so could Apple and might, Samsung could do it and rumours are they are in talks, AMD could do it, lol..... Texas and Qualcomm could but not easily.
IMO all the US firms should get together and each buy a 20% or so share in Intel foundries, spin off the chip design side of it in to something independent as to avoid anti trust.
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You know what... who wants to bet against Apple, Nvidia, AMD and Texas already musing that idea?
Whatever happens Intel are sitting ducks right now, they are vulnerable. Any one of them could hostile takeover tomorrow morning.
Whatever happens Intel are sitting ducks right now, they are vulnerable. Any one of them could hostile takeover tomorrow morning.
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what a bunch of crap.
mediatek's smartphone marketshare is above 30% globally now. (double of apple's phones) and they have a marketcap of like <100 billion aud
intel's revenues are double of amd's
momentum traders are following hype to pump stock prices. (hello nvidia)
marketcap is only as relevant as what the stock holders do with the stocks. hold (for the capital ponzi value) or sell. jensen has been selling Nvidia shares like a loon while the price is high.
some nvidia "monopolisation" moves have been blocked already. " hostile takeover ". rubbish. they are simply blocked by regulation in the u.s.
mediatek's smartphone marketshare is above 30% globally now. (double of apple's phones) and they have a marketcap of like <100 billion aud
intel's revenues are double of amd's
momentum traders are following hype to pump stock prices. (hello nvidia)
marketcap is only as relevant as what the stock holders do with the stocks. hold (for the capital ponzi value) or sell. jensen has been selling Nvidia shares like a loon while the price is high.
some nvidia "monopolisation" moves have been blocked already. " hostile takeover ". rubbish. they are simply blocked by regulation in the u.s.
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