Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

Robert896r1 · 28 Oct 2024 at 12:17

@humbug 13700k/f. No ring bug with ecores on. Higher oc all around. Cores, ring and mem.

A tuned 13700k with ddr5 is very fast. Disable HT, run adaptive voltage and it’ll run cool n quiet as well.

cebri · 28 Oct 2024 at 12:34

After watching a couple of more reviews I’m 99% sure the performance is not going to be fixed by firmware updates. Maybe some outlier cases but that’s about it. An skipable gen unless prices come down substantially. The only thing that could save this socket is a desktop version of PTL, which I doubt it will happen.

rare · 28 Oct 2024 at 13:41

cebri said:
After watching a couple of more reviews I’m 99% sure the performance is not going to be fixed by firmware updates. Maybe some outlier cases but that’s about it. An skipable gen unless prices come down substantially. The only thing that could save this socket is a desktop version of PTL, which I doubt it will happen.

AL is a dead platform, it’s not going to sell well, it’s fundamentally flawed. Jo one should be buying these processors IMO. Their performance is far too variable, when they are slow they are slower than 12th gen parts. It’s ridiculous.

Sylar2k20 · 28 Oct 2024 at 13:46

So ? Beeter tot take 14 gen cheaper now

uscool · 28 Oct 2024 at 13:48

Sylar2k20 said:
So ? Beeter tot take 14 gen cheaper now

Yeah platforms that's dead and uses more power

rare · 28 Oct 2024 at 14:06

Sylar2k20 said:
So ? Beeter tot take 14 gen cheaper now

IMO if you are gaming you want AM5. Intel aren’t going to be able to catch up to the X3D parts for ages.

G J · 28 Oct 2024 at 14:07

cebri said:
After watching a couple of more reviews I’m 99% sure the performance is not going to be fixed by firmware updates. Maybe some outlier cases but that’s about it. An skipable gen unless prices come down substantially. The only thing that could save this socket is a desktop version of PTL, which I doubt it will happen.

It seems that whats happening to CPU's at the moment is shifting towards whats happened to software for years with the release it now as a beta with poor performance, bugs and other problems and maybe fix it in the future as it's bad enough when software companies do it with a game that costs £70 its another to do it with new hardware thats costs hundreds of pounds. I'm seeing people repeat the marketing spin like its a server cpu, its a journey, its their first attempt at a tile/chiplet design, at least the power consumption is better... etc/

I get that all new platforms have the issues that usually get fixed but it seems to be getting worse though one thing this has highlighted is how dire Windows can be and it should not be relied upon as an angle to fix issues as its crazy how a Windows patch can pretty much gain or lose what is now a current CPU generation of performance in certain workloads.

Finally, at least AMD had Zen 4 to fall back too even if some people dont think the best of Zen 5 though Intel came out the gate with a new platform and presented us a refresh/rehash from the start that will really turn people off your platform and with the state Arrowlake is in with no CPU planned after it unless these really crash in price with the motherboards (The motherboard price increase over LGA1700 is nuts) whats the point.

FredFlint · 28 Oct 2024 at 14:29

I don't know why they included an NPU, should have skipped that. Overall, I think its not as bad as people are making it sound. Some of the biggest problem's are obvious scheduling issues because of the new core layout, this should have never made it past QA. After the scheduling issues are fixed and the price drops, it should be a good option. The 265K and 245K could offer very good price/performance if priced right as AMD's low/midrange is not great.

Rroff · 28 Oct 2024 at 14:38

uscool said:
Yeah platforms that's dead and uses more power

Power use aside 14700K is still a good option (I wouldn't touch any of the other 14th gen chips personally though), as things stand considerably cheaper than the next CPUs up while often within a hair of them for performance, way better than the 7800X3D for pretty much everything outside of gaming, maybe the 5090 might show more of a difference but even with the 4090 at the settings and resolution people buy these kind of setups for on average it is within margin of error of the 7800 X3D, any GPU below the 4090 you'll see even less difference.

Arrow Lake I'm not sure is entirely fixable, IMO they've screwed this one, maybe with refresh chips.

Personally consider pretty much everything out now including AL a dead platform as new technologies are on the horizon these platforms won't support.

jigger · 28 Oct 2024 at 14:38

FredFlint said:
I don't know why they included an NPU, should have skipped that. Overall, I think its not as bad as people are making it sound. Some of the biggest problem's are obvious scheduling issues because of the new core layout, this should have never made it past QA. After the scheduling issues are fixed and the price drops, it should be a good option. The 265K and 245K could offer very good price/performance if priced right as AMD's low/midrange is not great.

Pat: accelerators, accelerators, accelerators! Rips shirt off runs around office.

TrixP10 · 28 Oct 2024 at 14:42

FredFlint said:
I don't know why they included an NPU, should have skipped that. Overall, I think its not as bad as people are making it sound. Some of the biggest problem's are obvious scheduling issues because of the new core layout, this should have never made it past QA. After the scheduling issues are fixed and the price drops, it should be a good option. The 265K and 245K could offer very good price/performance if priced right as AMD's low/midrange is not great.

amd free mobo?

FredFlint · 28 Oct 2024 at 14:45

TrixP10 said:
amd free mobo?

How do I get an AMD free mobo, ill take 10.

Robert896r1 · 28 Oct 2024 at 14:54

In our oc group, not a single person is buying arl outside of those who got samples. This is pretty interesting given a lot of these guys will have gone through 4-5 CPU’s of each prior generation.

alec · 28 Oct 2024 at 14:59

FredFlint said:
Overall, I think its not as bad as people are making it sound. Some of the biggest problem's are obvious scheduling issues because of the new core layout, this should have never made it past QA. After the scheduling issues are fixed and the price drops, it should be a good option. The 265K and 245K could offer very good price/performance if priced right as AMD's low/midrange is not great.

scheduling issues can be fixed maybe
memory controller latency and L3/ring bus latency not so much

In a different world, I think ARL could be taking the niche of ryzen 1700X. Not so good at gaming, ok for productivity at lower price points.
But as we are, Zen 4 and Zen 5 dual chiplet CPUs are better as combination gaming/productivity/power/price

uscool · 28 Oct 2024 at 15:00

rare said:
IMO if you are gaming you want AM5. Intel aren’t going to be able to catch up to the X3D parts for ages.

Guess what he has a Ryzen 7700 use case is gaming and few chrome tabs open he thinks having more cores is gonna make it better experience and he wants to jump on 14th gen ? When he already has an AM5 board

Sylar2k20 · 28 Oct 2024 at 15:09

uscool said:
Guess what he has a Ryzen 7700 use case is gaming and few chrome tabs open he thinks having more cores is gonna make it better experience and he wants to jump on 14th gen ? When he already has an AM5 board

how many time i want to explain ? i want a balanced CPU for gaming , multitask, stream, video editing...etc not only for gaming , its so hard to understand ??? i know my Ryzen 7 7700 its enough for gaming but i dont want only for gaming

FredFlint · 28 Oct 2024 at 15:18

Sylar2k20 said:
how many time i want to explain ? i want a balanced CPU for gaming , multitask, stream, video editing...etc not only for gaming , its so hard to understand ??? i know my Ryzen 7 7700 its enough for gaming but i dont want only for gaming

Drop a 7950X in, its offers the best value for mixed work, set ECO 65W and its crazy good. Uses < 90W at full load, < 55C temps and you still get 5.7Ghz single core boost.

uscool · 28 Oct 2024 at 15:22

Sylar2k20 said:
how many time i want to explain ? i want a balanced CPU for gaming , multitask, stream, video editing...etc not only for gaming , its so hard to understand ??? i know my Ryzen 7 7700 its enough for gaming but i dont want only for gaming

Drop in 7950x3d then , it'll be cheaper then buying 14700k and motherboard, does that sound better ?

Tetras · 28 Oct 2024 at 15:27

Sylar2k20 said:
how many time i want to explain ? i want a balanced CPU for gaming , multitask, stream, video editing...etc not only for gaming , its so hard to understand ??? i know my Ryzen 7 7700 its enough for gaming but i dont want only for gaming

Would you please just go and buy whatever you want and put us all out of our misery. 'Upgrading' from a 7700 to a 14th gen is like buying a donkey 'cos you don't like your horse.

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Sylar2k20 · 28 Oct 2024 at 15:33

variants with 7950X or X3D also including changing MB vor better VRM ....