Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

humbug · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:36

gavinh87 said:
It is my fault but let's not pretend ryzen hasn't been hyped to the moon and back. It really isn't as good as people say. Anyone coming from a haswell or higher will be disappointed if gaming is their thing. I can't wait for this thread to blow up with benchmarks when the 8700k releases.

You were one of them, don't pretend, when you bought it and right up until the point you realised Intel were launching a mainstream 6 core of their own the Ryzen CPU you bough was the best thing since sliced bread, even attacking people who disagreed with you on that, your Ryzen hype was nuts.

Now that you know there will be a mainstream 6 core Intel its a bit mediocre again, worse than that even judging by the way you are going on attacking anyone with real vigour who disagrees with you on its a bit crapness.

gavinh87 · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:40

humbug said:
You were one of them, don't pretend, when you bought it and right up until the point you realised Intel were launching a mainstream 6 core of their own the Ryzen CPU you bough was the best thing since sliced bread.

Now that you know there will be a mainstream 6 core Intel its a bit mediocre again, worse than that even judging by the way you are going on attacking anyone with real vigour who disagrees with you on its a bit crapness.

Yup, right up to the point is saw it bottlenecking a 1070 in destiny. And getting beat by i3's in games. No i disagree with anyone that hasn't even owned a ryzen. It'd be nice if one of the people talking it up actually had one and we could have an informed conversation.....

Journey · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:42

AndreiD said:
ASRock usually has some really nice high end boards with Aquantia NICs that are pretty reasonably priced. Did we get any leaks of the Z370 Taichi or Fatal1ty?
I hope we see more than 1 Thunberbolt 3 ports too, I think they use Type C connectors and should be compatible with USB devices too.

Indeed, I am in the process of designing a low power multi-core system, hoping to get a mITX board that has a TB3/USB-C as the power-in as opposed to the 12v 4-pin or the 9-19v DC jack. I already have the monitor waiting that uses the single TB3/USB-C cable for power and video signal, and it also has a TB3/USB-C output (x2) to allow connection of other devices, and the ability to provide power also.

I'm not sure who is driving the market forward at the moment with Type-C ports, other than phone manufacturers (excluding Apple) or laptops manufacturers, oddly enough with Apple leading the way, then forgetting to add normal ports. Still I am sure that by the time the X390 comes out next August, then it should have a larger compliment of these ports

humbug · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:42

gavinh87 said:
Yup, right up to the point is saw it bottlenecking a 1070 in destiny. And getting beat by i3's in games. No i disagree with anyone that hasn't even owned a ryzen. It'd be nice if one of the people talking it up actually had one and we could have an informed conversation.....

Give over, you were acting like a proper AMD fanboy, right up until 6 core Intel came to light, then you switched it right around.

jigger · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:44

gavinh87 said:
Yup, right up to the point is saw it bottlenecking a 1070 in destiny. And getting beat by i3's in games. No i disagree with anyone that hasn't even owned a ryzen. It'd be nice if one of the people talking it up actually had one and we could have an informed conversation.....

Probably best if you start adding names later on as you seem fully hyped from the 5Ghz screen shot right now.

AndreiD · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:45

@gavinh87 I wouldn't even bother anymore, all of the Ryzen hype team in this thread haven't even used it and just rely on cherry picked benches, it's a waste of time.
Buy whatever works for you, disregard the memers

Also lmao, @humbug calling other people fanboys.

gavinh87 · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:46

humbug said:
Give over, you were acting like a proper AMD fanboy, right up until 6 core Intel came to light, then you switched it right around.

Nope, go and look at the conversation i had with voidshatter over the coffeelake 3dmark06 scores. My ryzen actually beat it there. Ask techen how his 1080ti utilisation barely ever hits 100% with his 1600. Ask me about the constant bootloops after a cold boot. As i said, go buy one.

gavinh87 · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:50

It's hilarious how the people defending it don't even have one. They spend more time in the ryzen owners thread, and don't have one.

Put your money where your mouth is and experience the bugs and low GPU utilisation on a 144+Hz screen for yourself.

Will it do the job? Of course, but i don't like having 25% of my GPU not used.

Rainmaker · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:52

gavinh87 said:
Yup, right up to the point is saw it bottlenecking a 1070 in destiny. And getting beat by i3's in games. No i disagree with anyone that hasn't even owned a ryzen. It'd be nice if one of the people talking it up actually had one and we could have an informed conversation.....

Didn't Adored go on to show that was down to faulty Nvidia drivers; and that not only was there no problem with the same games on ATI cards but that even a 1600x would have better mins than a 7700k in many of the same previously 'bottlenecked' games? (ETA: with 100% GPU utilisation). As you can see from my sig I have an old FX8350 so I have no stakes in this either way. I'm due an upgrade, but I'll buy whatever suits me best. Given I don't game but do a lot of ffmpeg, handbrake, plex and VM stuff that'd probably be R7 all day long (at half the price), but I'd just as happily buy Intel if it had the price/performance for my workloads.

smilingcrow · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:52

As it stands today on OcUK here are prices:

Ryzen 7 £279
i7-7700k £320

Cheapest ATX boards
B350 £99
X370 £135
Z270 £113

So that's a £55 difference or £19 if you go with the X370 as a lot of enthusiasts will for the extra features.
With CL estimated to be about £20 more and no reason to think that Z370 will be above Z270 once prices settle, for enthusiasts the difference between the X370 and Z370 platforms is £39 using the cheapest boards.
That's insignificant when you look at the total cost of a typical system that uses a £300 CPU in terms of hardware and software.

In other words buy what you want and let's not kid ourselves that the price difference is significant.

I have ignored RAM and cooler costs as they are typically platform independent so can be used on other systems and there's a wide range of pricing options depending on your wants.

Journey · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:53

@gavinh87 Have you read this article btw?
https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/destiny-2-cpu-optimisation-fail

I found it interesting, since this was written long before the beta even went live, and it sounds like they are hoping to patch in the actual proper mulitcore support, when they bother to get round to it. Probably once it's been out a few months, ones 50% of the player base get bored with it

humbug · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:55

gavinh87 said:
Nope, go and look at the conversation i had with voidshatter over the coffeelake 3dmark06 scores. My ryzen actually beat it there. Ask techen how his 1080ti utilisation barely ever hits 100% with his 1600. Ask me about the constant bootloops after a cold boot. As i said, go buy one.

Thats your own fault for placing too much emphasis on a 12 year old benchmarking app, the 7700K can easily bottleneck a 1080TI, so will coffeeLake, it depends on what you are doing with it.

We told you over and over again that your CPU is broken and told you to RMA it. You refused citing an RMA form that was too complicated for you, not that it was, not even slightly, its your own fault for having a broken CPU and then refusing to do anything about it.

All that is also recent, before that you were running round like a bull in a china shop about how brilliant your new CPU was, so don't go on about over hyped Ryzen's, you were the worst offender of that by a mile, up until Intel waved a new shiny infront of you at which point you went all misty eye's for that.

gavinh87 · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:56

Journey said:
@gavinh87 Have you read this article btw?
https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/destiny-2-cpu-optimisation-fail

I found it interesting, since this was written long before the beta even went live, and it sounds like they are hoping to patch in the actual proper mulitcore support, when they bother to get round to it. Probably once it's been out a few months, ones 50% of the player base get bored with it

I haven't, but i will. Thanks

This is my worry with ryzen/ skylake X.
We have to hope that devs put the work in. Much like the PS3/Xbox 360 wars.

AndreiD · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:56

Rainmaker said:
Didn't Adored go on to show that was down to faulty Nvidia drivers; and that not only was there no problem with the same games on ATI cards but that even a 1600x would have better mins than a 7700k in many of the same previously 'bottlenecked' games? (ETA: with 100% GPU utilisation). As you can see from my sig I have an old FX8350 so I have no stakes in this either way. I'm due an upgrade, but I'll buy whatever suits me best. Given I don't game but do a lot of ffmpeg, handbrake, plex and VM stuff that'd probably be R7 all day long (at half the price), but I'd just as happily buy Intel if it had the price/performance for my workloads.

Adored did blame Nvidia drivers, but the RoTR devs released a patch later on that fixed performance, so in typical Adored fashion he jumped to conclusions and blamed Nvidia.
If you do a lot of encoding then an R7 1700 might fit you best, but wait for Coffee Lake reviews just in case, Anandtech usually tests a lot of misc. apps. For VMs it depends, IOMMU isn't that hassle free on Ryzen yet.

jigger · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:58

gavinh87 said:
It's hilarious how the people defending it don't even have one. They spend more time in the ryzen owners thread, and don't have one.

Put your money where your mouth is and experience the bugs and low GPU utilisation on a 144+Hz screen for yourself.

Will it do the job? Of course, but i don't like having 25% of my GPU not used.

Who are you talking about? And who is defending what?

gavinh87 · 16 Sep 2017 at 16:58

humbug said:
Thats your own fault for placing too much emphasis on a 12 year old benchmarking app, the 7700K can easily bottleneck a 1080TI, so will coffeeLake, it depends on what you are doing with it.

We told you over and over again that your CPU is broken and told you to RMA it. You refused citing an RMA form that was too complicated for you, not that it was, not even slightly, its your own fault for having a broken CPU and then refusing to do anything about it.

All that is also recent, before that you were running round like a bull in a china shop about how brilliant your new CPU was, so don't go on about over hyped Ryzen's, you were the worst offender of that by a mile, up until Intel waved a new shiny infront of you at which point you went all misty eye's for that.

My CPU is faulty? How would you know? How do you know how a good one behaves?
You don't, in fact most of the crap you spout in here is based on what you have read, mostly by one YouTube channel.

Fyi, i complied a Linux kernel, no segfaults.

humbug · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:01

gavinh87 said:
My CPU is faulty? How would you know? How do you know how a good one behaves?
You don't, in fact most of the crap you spout in here is based on what you have read, mostly by one YouTube channel.

Fyi, i complied a Linux kernel, no segfaults.

A good one doesn't boot loop... if its doing something its not supposed to its broken, your CPU is broken. wow..... it is and who knows what-else is wrong with it because of that, how do you know what its supposed to behave like, you think its current behaviour is normal... no, it isn't. RMA it, how many more times?

humbug · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:05

At anyone reading this, if you see his ^^^^^ CPU on the MM don't buy it, its broken.

AndreiD · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:07

@humbug Boot loops are normal on Ryzen mate, it's due to memory training.

DarkHorizon472 · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:07

gavinh87 said:
It's hilarious how the people defending it don't even have one. They spend more time in the ryzen owners thread, and don't have one.

Put your money where your mouth is and experience the bugs and low GPU utilisation on a 144+Hz screen for yourself.

Will it do the job? Of course, but i don't like having 25% of my GPU not used.

To be fair my Ryzen 1700 setup runs fine and never crashes or locks up. I knew buying the first generation of Ryzen would be a gamble and involve a bit of tweaking on my part. This is why I bought quality components and swapped my Hynix RAM out for B Die once it became clear it performed better. With the 9920 BIOS it runs fine for my needs. I have never had any boot loops or anything similar but do not over clock the CPU to its limits. At the time the only alternative was a 7700k which for me was a dead end and has no future proofing.

The new Coffee Lake looks interesting and it depends on the price of a full setup as to whether it is value for money for most people or just a few that are looking for the highest performance, assuming it performs as well as suggested.