Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

humbug · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:34

DarkHorizon472 said:
I see what you mean, I stop going higher when temps and volts needed start to rapidly accelerate.

Right.
The problem is at no point did he say it was a problem with overclocking, what he said was "its normal for Ryzen to Boot Loop" its a way to misleads people into thinking its a problem with the chip, not what is in fact a problem with what he is doing to it.

It explains everything about him and his agenda.

jigger · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:36

gavinh87 said:
Watch this that andrei posted. https://youtu.be/vZgpHTaQ10k?t=870

You are making assumptions on a platform you know nothing about.
Yes, my cold boot issue could be fixed by using <3200 ram, but why should I when 3466 is stable?
The IPC is bad enough let alone running it any lower lol.

Please, stop posting fud. You know nothing about the ryzen platform.

So what will you do when you push the Intel chip too far?

AndreiD · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:37

Yes, it's quite normal if you're trying to hit 3200Mhz on RAM with Ryzen. Why is everyone who hasn't even owned a Ryzen talking as if they know what they're talking about?
I even literally linked Robert Hallock talking about it in a video about how to overclock your RAM past 2666Mhz on Ryzen, jesus.

gavinh87 · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:38

I guess ASUS are overclocking wrong, too.

DRAM cold boot workaround BIOS

Has been tested ok by several parties. Note that this is still quite experimental, but we figured out a way to recover if things go wrong (highly unlikely though). It's based on 0081.

C6H BIOS 0003

Couple of things you should know before flashing it:

- Clear CMOS before flashing. If you get stuck at a POST code after the "BIOS is updating" message + reset, clear CMOS again.
- Your EC will be updated with this version, meaning you will get the "BIOS is updating" message. Don't freak out, it will complete this time

- This BIOS always boots with 90 MHz refclk and 1.35V DRAM, then resets by itself with the actual BIOS settings and voltages.
- Your chipset or VGA may not like running at 90 MHz in which case your system will be unable to POST even when using Safe Boot or with CMOS cleared (54/55/d6 error codes). The fix is to enable LN2 mode and press safe boot button which will set your refclk to 105 MHz. It's advised to test 90 MHz refclk on your system before flashing this BIOS to make sure you don't run into any issues.
- After reverting back to a previous BIOS your EC version will stay the same, meaning you will still boot at 90 MHz refclk. Send me a PM if this causes issues for you and I'll send a fix.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread/10320#post_26031379

gavinh87 · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:40

So, AMD and ASUS acknowledge there is a cold boot dram problem, yet if anyone speaks about it then its our fault for pushing too far?
3.8 is certainly not too far lol.

Doobedoo · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:42

AndreiD said:
Yes, it's quite normal if you're trying to hit 3200Mhz on RAM with Ryzen. Why is everyone who hasn't even owned a Ryzen talking as if they know what they're talking about?
I even literally linked Robert Hallock talking about it in a video about how to overclock your RAM past 2666Mhz on Ryzen, jesus.

Mate we read various posts you don't need to own something to have an understanding of it. You have first hand experience of the platform but you no doubt read posts from those that knew more than you,in order to help you achieve an overclock or help correct issues.

Your another one who brought the wrong cpu and now has regrets where as others wait until they are sure it's right for them.

It's your money and all that.

AndreiD · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:43

@gavinh87 No, you don't understand, @jigger, @Doobedoo and @humbug literally know more than AMD or ASUS engineers.

Doobedoo · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:45

AndreiD said:
@gavinh87 No, you don't understand, @jigger, @Doobedoo and @humbug literally know more than AMD or ASUS engineers.

Mate what are you on about I've never mentioned anything to do with boot loop.

You're the donut who brought something that doesn't fit your needs.

Sorry!

gavinh87 · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:47

There is no bootloop problem, me, hundreds of other people, ASUS and AMD are all bringing it on ourselves.
So, as long as we run <3200mhz ram and dont let the room get below 20c all is fine. I'll get me a x299 and leave that on idle to warm the room then for when I want to boot ryzen up

Doobedoo · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:50

gavinh87 said:
There is no bootloop problem, me, hundreds of other people, ASUS and AMD are all bringing it on ourselves.
So, as long as we run <3200mhz ram and dont let the room get below 20c all is fine. I'll get me a x299 and leave that on idle to warm the room then for when I want to boot ryzen up

Lol. Just sell up and get coffee lake mate and be done with it.

You brought the wrong cpu for you simple as that. Hopefully they iron out these issues with Zen 2

jigger · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:52

AndreiD said:
@gavinh87 No, you don't understand, @jigger, @Doobedoo and @humbug literally know more than AMD or ASUS engineers.

We do?

gavinh87 · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:52

Doobedoo said:
Lol. Just sell up and get coffee lake mate and be done with it.

You brought the wrong cpu for you simple as that. Hopefully they iron out these issues with Zen 2

So, ryzen has cold boot issues and thats my fault?

jigger · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:53

gavinh87 said:
So, AMD and ASUS acknowledge there is a cold boot dram problem, yet if anyone speaks about it then its our fault for pushing too far?
3.8 is certainly not too far lol.

But what will you do?

Doobedoo · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:53

gavinh87 said:
So, ryzen has cold boot issues and thats my fault?

Is that your only issue?

AndreiD · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:55

gavinh87 said:
So, ryzen has cold boot issues and thats my fault?

Well, technically it is because AMD only rates Ryzen for 2666Mhz Single Rank, anything above isn't guaranteed

gavinh87 · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:56

Doobedoo said:
Is that your only issue?

Hardware wise, yes.
The rest is architectural. And I'm done with waiting for fine wine now.

Doobedoo · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:57

AndreiD said:
Well, technically it is because AMD only rates Ryzen for 2666Mhz Single Rank, anything above isn't guaranteed

Did you not know that before you spent £500+?

gavinh87 · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:57

AndreiD said:
Well, technically it is because AMD only rates Ryzen for 2666Mhz Single Rank, anything above isn't guaranteed

But 3200mhz is required to get the most from my CPU

This thread has become a joke, people that dont even own the damn thing are telling me I have setup problems lol.

Keep my room warm and it boots fine

AMD fanboys without AMD hardware.......

Doobedoo · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:58

gavinh87 said:
Hardware wise, yes.
The rest is architectural. And I'm done with waiting for fine wine now.

But you were aware of it's likely short comings before you brought it and even championed it on multiple occasions....

AndreiD · 16 Sep 2017 at 17:59

Doobedoo said:
Did you not know that before you spent £500+?

What? I'm not even complaining about that, all I said is that boot loops with Ryzen are normal when you try to go for 3200 and some of the AMD aficionados on here jumped.