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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

beany_bot said:
Is covfefe lake only to be six core? If so I don't think it will be a winner. I'd still sooner have the ryzen 1700. A well priced and high IPC 8 core consumer Intel though... My attention is grabbed. I'd probably pay an extra £70 for dat IPC over Ryzen. But I'll bet the above chip would be a lot more than that.
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CoffeeLake i5 = 6 Core 6 Thread and probably cost at least as much as the 1700
CoffeeLake i7 = 6 Core 12 Thread and probably cost around £400.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Intel are delusional to sell a 6 thread at £300 when you have 12 thread ryzen at £199.
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Just to be clear the pricing is my opinion. :)
As far as i know Intel have not said anything about CoffeeLake pricing.

They have announced pricing of X299, its $1700 for the 16 core SkyLake-X, AMD's 16 core Threadripper is rumoured to be $850, i think more like <$1000 but even that is still a massive 70% difference.

Intel are not going to directly compete with AMD, they have far too much market-share for that and as far as they are concerned they will outsell AMD by multiple factors no matter what the price difference. $50 - $100 In their mainstream pricing isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to their market-share, it will make a difference to how much money they make so you can be sure Intel will not react to AMD's pricing.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
People are coming round to AMD as the alternative to Intel and Intel will suffer if they ignore AMD price points.

You're beaten, Intel.

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I think that video you linked actually explains that they will also suffer if they DON'T ignore AMD's price points.

Their architecture makes it very expensive to fabricate high-core-count chips. If they sell them at comparable prices to AMD, they will not be able to fabricate enough of them causing supply issues, they will have terrible margins, the profits will collapse, the share price will tumble, etc etc etc...

They're in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation...
 
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akarypid said:
I think that video you linked actually explains that they will also suffer if they DON'T ignore AMD's price points.

Their architecture makes it very expensive to fabricate high-core-count chips. If they sell them at comparable prices to AMD, they will not be able to fabricate enough of them causing supply issues, they will have terrible margins, the profits will collapse, the share price will tumble, etc etc etc...

They're in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation...
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Yes, and IMO Intel deserve nothing less.

As i said before AdoredTV published this video :P

humbug said:
Intel's problem is this:

AMD in their quest to save money and make high performance products at a cost level they and consumers can far more easily afford have come up with a brilliant way to engineer out the problem of die per wafer yields, Infinity Fabric, its incredibly innovative, ingenious, its put Intel on the back foot because AMD can make CPU's 'within reason' with as many Cores as they like at a much lower cost than Intel.

Not for the first time Intel have underestimated AMD's innovation and resourcefulness.

When you are the underdog you are forced to think outside the box, Intel have never been the underdog, and it shows with their high cost incrementalism.

PS: just wait for this technology to hit their GPU's.
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8 Pack said:
It's not a server cpu lol. It's a desktop cpu. Same architecture yes but tweaked. Different package.
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The worry is now that 8+ cores are getting cheaper (the R7 1700 has dropped to 6600k money), how long before developers REALLY start using multi-threading properly?

Unless the 6/12 coffeelake CPU can do 5 GHz, I'd be concerned about it holding the performance crown for more than a year or two tops.

Could work out the smarter (and cheaper) buy to get a 4 GHz Ryzen 8 core if you value longevity.

There's also Optane support I suppose, if Intel actually release proper storage drives. And even then Micron can make it too (and are going to license it, so Samsung will jump in too), and they won't be tied to Intel's platform.

In general I feel like 6 cores will end up being a 'weird' amount of cores, where it's better than 4 but doesn't quite give you the multi-tasking capability of 8 (e.g. for streamers).
 
8 Pack said:
It's not a server cpu lol. It's a desktop cpu. Same architecture yes but tweaked. Different package.
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...exactly? The video posted was about Threadripper/EPYC and I was referring to that.

For a while now, Intel continue to rely on process improvements (now going on to 2nd refinement to 14nm, then 10nm) to evolve. The are still a fab company (as well as a CPU designer/maker) and because they had the better architecture they were just doing process improvements and steady architecture evolution.

Now, since they have the process advantage, they will continue to lead in gaming-desktop performance. Absolute highest FPS will go to some quad-core / hex-core of Intel through at least until 2019/Icelake (10nm). AMD will refine Zen to keep the gap small and hope games continue to evolve towards using more cores to keep the difference tight.

But the flip-side to Intel's architecture is that it makes producing high-core-count chips uncompetitive. That's what I'm referring to. AMD has a big window to eat into the HEDT/server space...
 
akarypid said:
...exactly? The video posted was about Threadripper/EPYC and I was referring to that.

For a while now, Intel continue to rely on process improvements (now going on to 2nd refinement to 14nm, then 10nm) to evolve. The are still a fab company (as well as a CPU designer/maker) and because they had the better architecture they were just doing process improvements and steady architecture evolution.

Now, since they have the process advantage, they will continue to lead in gaming-desktop performance. Absolute highest FPS will go to some quad-core / hex-core of Intel through at least until 2019/Icelake (10nm). AMD will refine Zen to keep the gap small and hope games continue to evolve towards using more cores to keep the difference tight.

But the flip-side to Intel's architecture is that it makes producing high-core-count chips uncompetitive. That's what I'm referring to. AMD has a big window to eat into the HEDT/server space...
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Also it'll get quite interesting in 2018/2019. I wonder if Intel will bring forward Ice Lake.

Late next year AMD will have 7nm Zen2, and ontop of whatever refinements it has it looks like they're using the space reduction from 7nm to increase the CCX's to 6 cores each instead of 4. This is due to their 'Starship' CPU (replacement of EPYC) going up to 48 cores. And it follows it'll be the same 4 die infinity fabric solution, therefore must be 4 lots of 12 cores (dual 6 core CCXs).

So seems likely AMD will offer 10 and 12 core CPUs to AM4, and 24 core to X399. Might even offer 36 to 48 depending on what the market is like and/or what their server CPU yields are like.

Intel really need something to counter this.
 
In what sense is it "Superstrong" thats a lot of hype but no context...

Should we all get onboard the Hype-Train? like every-other Intel Hype-Train that always comes to a crashing overpriced disappointment?
 
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humbug said:
In what sense is it "Superstrong" thats a lot of hype but no context...

Should we all get onboard the hype train? like every-other Intel Hype-train that always comes to a crashing overpriced disappointment?
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My current hype for the next ~18-24 months is what Zen2-Threadripper2 on 7nm will be like.

I upgraded from an i7 3770k on Z77 to an R7 [email protected] on AM4, then planning to go for somewhere between 16-24 core Threadripper2 on a refreshed X399 board in 2018/2019. Unless Intel can magic something out of their arse (like a brought forward HEDT Ice Lake on their 10nm?)
 
AllBodies said:
My current hype for the next ~18-24 months is what Zen2-Threadripper2 on 7nm will be like.

I upgraded from an i7 3770k on Z77 to an R7 [email protected] on AM4, then planning to go for somewhere between 16-24 core Threadripper2 on a refreshed X399 board in 2018/2019. Unless Intel can magic something out of their arse (like a brought forward HEDT Ice Lake on their 10nm?)
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Ah... yes, a CPU with some PCIe lanes for less than a thousand dollars!
 
AllBodies said:
Also it'll get quite interesting in 2018/2019. I wonder if Intel will bring forward Ice Lake.

Late next year AMD will have 7nm Zen2, and ontop of whatever refinements it has it looks like they're using the space reduction from 7nm to increase the CCX's to 6 cores each instead of 4. This is due to their 'Starship' CPU (replacement of EPYC) going up to 48 cores. And it follows it'll be the same 4 die infinity fabric solution, therefore must be 4 lots of 12 cores (dual 6 core CCXs).

So seems likely AMD will offer 10 and 12 core CPUs to AM4, and 24 core to X399. Might even offer 36 to 48 depending on what the market is like and/or what their server CPU yields are like.

Intel really need something to counter this.
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Intel's 10nm will be nearly as good as GloFo's 7nm. The difference will be marginal (though it will be in favour of GloFo for the first time). It will be an almost-equal playing field so the chips will be clocked closer. Architecture will become more important at that time. But the differences in gaming-desktops will probably be so small by then, that it'll be just about bragging rights...
 
akarypid said:
Intel's 10nm will be nearly as good as GloFo's 7nm. The difference will be marginal (though it will be in favour of GloFo for the first time). It will be an almost-equal playing field so the chips will be clocked closer. Architecture will become more important at that time. But the differences in gaming-desktops will probably be so small by then, that it'll be just about bragging rights...
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My point was almost entirely about architecture.

That AMD will have 12-core AM4 CPUs possibly for £300 or less (i.e. R7 1700 money), and 24-core X399 for likely sub-$1000.

What will Intel do about that? The difference will be even larger than it is now with Zen1 on 14nm.
 
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