Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

[beany_bot]

I just can't honestly recommend someone go spend more money on a 6 core. Rather than spend less on an 8 core. Seems mad. Yes I know about IPC. but Ryzen has already shown it can throw punches with Intel there too.
Covfefe will be good no doubt. But Ryzen is better and cheaper.

 

[akarypid]

I just can't honestly recommend someone go spend more money on a 6 core. Rather than spend less on an 8 core. Seems mad. Yes I know about IPC. but Ryzen has already shown it can throw punches with Intel there too.
Covfefe will be good no doubt. But Ryzen is better and cheaper.

At the end of the day every person will go for whatever they feel is best. Even now, a lot of hard-core gamers will even prefer a 7700K to a 1700, settling for just 4 cores instead. These people will surely love a 6-core Coffee Lake that clocks just as high. They will even consider the 4-core if it clocks even higher.

If all you care about is the performance in the now, that's the best you can get.

Now, surely, as games become better in exploiting more cores, the lead of such systems will diminish, but they will still stay ahead by a small margin (and I expect Ice Lake to do the same; maybe a 7nm Ryzen will later be able to challenge it).

Bottom line: if someone is dead-set on getting top FPS no matter what, he'll go for these systems. At £320, you can't even justify passing on a 7700K to save and get a better graphics card, because (I think; may be wrong here) there won't be enough savings to get a higher-tier GPU (which would do more for your FPS).

 

[eddiew]

I just can't honestly recommend someone go spend more money on a 6 core. Rather than spend less on an 8 core. Seems mad. Yes I know about IPC. but Ryzen has already shown it can throw punches with Intel there too.
Covfefe will be good no doubt. But Ryzen is better and cheaper.

You're right for overall work done per time. On the other hand, quite a few folks will have older programs and games that are never going to understand multi-core, so single-thread performance is still high on the list of desirable features. Right now, Intel do still own that metric, although possibly only via clock frequencies. That said, the hex Covfefe Lakes look like they will ship with lower stock clocks than Kaby... if they turn out not to clock as high, then there's really very little reason to favour them over Ryzen.

The Zen upgrade path is very appealing too. I have no doubt that AMD are aware that ST is their weak spot and that they'll focus Zen2 towards 8 cores at better frequencies. If they could pump up the exact same architecture to 4.5-5.0Ghz, then they'd be unmistakably the better option through and through Depending on how Covfefe turns out, I'll likely snap up a Ryzen 1600 as a side-grade in ST and upgrade in MT, and rely on next year's batch to really push the envelope.

 

[beany_bot]

You're right for overall work done per time. On the other hand, quite a few folks will have older programs and games that are never going to understand multi-core, so single-thread performance is still high on the list of desirable features. Right now, Intel do still own that metric, although possibly only via clock frequencies. That said, the hex Covfefe Lakes look like they will ship with lower stock clocks than Kaby... if they turn out not to clock as high, then there's really very little reason to favour them over Ryzen.

Oh yeah I totally agree. I have kept my 4 core i5 until now because of FSX.
But every single day that passes that margin gets less and less. And looking to the future. you would be mad to go six more expensive cores over 8 cheaper cores. After all, we all want to future proof as much as poss.

 

[GAC]

Coffee Lake is looking superstrong.

im sure it will have to for the price, and the fact if intel drop another mild bump in performance no one will bother with the thing and just go ryzen for future upgrades as we all know how intel love new sockets and chip sets.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Also it'll get quite interesting in 2018/2019. I wonder if Intel will bring forward Ice Lake.

Late next year AMD will have 7nm Zen2, and ontop of whatever refinements it has it looks like they're using the space reduction from 7nm to increase the CCX's to 6 cores each instead of 4. This is due to their 'Starship' CPU (replacement of EPYC) going up to 48 cores. And it follows it'll be the same 4 die infinity fabric solution, therefore must be 4 lots of 12 cores (dual 6 core CCXs).

So seems likely AMD will offer 10 and 12 core CPUs to AM4, and 24 core to X399. Might even offer 36 to 48 depending on what the market is like and/or what their server CPU yields are like.

Intel really need something to counter this.

It would also suggest that APU would move to 6 cores with another jump in GPU size and it might finally be time to get HBM2 onto the package on higher end parts for absolutely and completely unbeatable GPU performance and finding a way to help use it as a L4 and boost CPU performance as well will quite likely make AMD even more competitive on the CPU side. Maybe the most interesting thing could be a 6 core APU with HBM2 8GB in a laptop with no external memory, some ultra slim, extremely efficient systems could be made from that and I could absolutely see that being the kind of chip that made Apple go with AMD over Intel.

EDIT:- had a further think about this, it would actually be better for the same reason that 6 core apu now doesn't make much sense if instead AMD went with a quad core at 7nm with a double size gpu. The CPU would still be more than enough to feed it but dedicating the extra die space available with a node shrink on the gpu, combine it with HBM and you have utterly unbeatable APU gaming. Laptops with a quad core CPU and what would be potentially around rx480 level performance at laptop power levels would be absolutely amazing.

 

[humbug]

Intel are about to launch SkyLake-X.

6 core 12 thread $390
8 core 16 thread $500

Thats not too bad so i think maybe CoffeeLake may not be all that expensive after all, AMD will have to react to that so we may actually end up seeing 6 core CPU's for well under £200, by that time probably even Zen 2.

The fire has been stoked under Intel and now we have a race to the pricing bottom, Intel's margins will take a hit and thier 'Yacht weekly subscribed' shareholders are not going to like it but who gives a #### about them anyway?

Prices have been far too high for far too long, good to see them coming down properly.

Well done AMD.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Coffeelake 6C/12T 12MB spotted. No CPUID on this, so most likely the first stepping (hence the low clocks).

Intel(R) CPU 0000 @ 3.10GHz (6C 12T 3.1GHz/4.2GHz, 2.7GHz IMC/3.9GHz, 6x 256kB L2, 12MB L3

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_r...d4ecddefd6e5d3f587ba8aacc9ac91a187f4c9f1&l=en

 

[eddiew]

Is that a 4.2 turbo? If so, will be interesting to see if it has a decent bit of headroom for overclocking... I could dig a 6 core at 4.8 or so...

 

[humbug]

The 4 core 7700K already uses a lot of power. in gaming 30% more than AMD's 8 core, its also a lot more difficult to get high clocking 6 core dies than much smaller 4 core dies.

The 3.1Ghz base clock might indicate Intel are not going to find some sort of miracle 7700K 6 core dies for mainstream.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I'm pretty sure that in my post I explicitly wrote that the clocks are low, and due to be upped, because this is the first stepping. Unfortunately this was overlooked and the clocks listed taken for the final specifications. ignore the clocks.

 

[AllBodies]

It would also suggest that APU would move to 6 cores with another jump in GPU size and it might finally be time to get HBM2 onto the package on higher end parts for absolutely and completely unbeatable GPU performance and finding a way to help use it as a L4 and boost CPU performance as well will quite likely make AMD even more competitive on the CPU side. Maybe the most interesting thing could be a 6 core APU with HBM2 8GB in a laptop with no external memory, some ultra slim, extremely efficient systems could be made from that and I could absolutely see that being the kind of chip that made Apple go with AMD over Intel.

EDIT:- had a further think about this, it would actually be better for the same reason that 6 core apu now doesn't make much sense if instead AMD went with a quad core at 7nm with a double size gpu. The CPU would still be more than enough to feed it but dedicating the extra die space available with a node shrink on the gpu, combine it with HBM and you have utterly unbeatable APU gaming. Laptops with a quad core CPU and what would be potentially around rx480 level performance at laptop power levels would be absolutely amazing.

Indeed, I hadn't thought about the 7nm APUs. 6 Zen2 cores + 1500 Navi cores possibly (on the same board as a 12 core Zen2 chip with no GPU for upgrade path). That would completely destroy the ~£120 and below GPUs. You'd just get the APU for mainstream gaming, and even some very decent multitasking in general. Also imagine how great that would be for laptops!

You make a good point about it being better to go for 4 cores + 2000 GPU cores though. It is possible they'll keep with 4 cores per CCX, and just shrink the dual-CCX package's physical size a lot.

I guess it comes down to how well the infinity fabric scales (they're only making it scale to 4 packages currently) and what would be more expensive, larger dies with less bolting-on per chip, or the opposite.

i.e. If they did keep 4 core CCX's, then 7nm would make them hilariously small and their yields per wafer would be ridiculously good. However they'd then have to stick together 6 packages for the 48 core Starship CPU, and 3 for 24 core Threadripper2.

So I wonder if it's better to go for higher yields (also allowing for 4 core + more GPU core APU) and sticking 6/3 packages on the same CPU, or lower yields but only needing to stick 4/2.

 

[Storrm]

People are coming round to AMD as the alternative to Intel and Intel will suffer if they ignore AMD price points.

You're beaten, Intel.

This

 

[zornyan]

The 4 core 7700K already uses a lot of power. in gaming 30% more than AMD's 8 core, its also a lot more difficult to get high clocking 6 core dies than much smaller 4 core dies.

The 3.1Ghz base clock might indicate Intel are not going to find some sort of miracle 7700K 6 core dies for mainstream.

now we've got confirmed 10 cores at 5ghz overclocks it's safe to say Intel is going to have my far the most powerful processors in the world, so amazed they managed to get 5ghz out of 10 cores! glad to see Intel dominating with performance as usual, 7820x is hopefully coming my way soon.

 

[GAC]

now we've got confirmed 10 cores at 5ghz overclocks it's safe to say Intel is going to have my far the most powerful processors in the world, so amazed they managed to get 5ghz out of 10 cores! glad to see Intel dominating with performance as usual, 7820x is hopefully coming my way soon.

and lets be honest now, thats a delided overclock cpu GIVEN to overclockers, also its kaby lake X NOT coffee lake. not saying intel would select binned cpu's but you know they will as the record clockers are a great marketing tool.

id wait for reviews of coffee lake before getting over excited.

 

[zornyan]

and lets be honest now, thats a delided overclock cpu GIVEN to overclockers, also its kaby lake X NOT coffee lake. not saying intel would select binned cpu's but you know they will as the record clockers are a great marketing tool.

id wait for reviews of coffee lake before getting over excited.

I can't see coffeelake clocking lower than skylake x, that was also a 10 corr, the 6/8s should hit 5ghz without delidding

 

[humbug]

now we've got confirmed 10 cores at 5ghz overclocks it's safe to say Intel is going to have my far the most powerful processors in the world, so amazed they managed to get 5ghz out of 10 cores! glad to see Intel dominating with performance as usual, 7820x is hopefully coming my way soon.

Confirmed? really? where?

I know the 10 core does 5.7Ghz on Liquid Nitrogen, that means absolutely nothing as a thats a very select few chips and, well, only on Liquid Nitrogen.
That chip also has 60% less cores than Threadripper so it needs to clock higher than that, on Liquid Nitrogen just to match AMD performance at stock.

 

[zornyan]

Confirmed? really? where?

I know the 10 core does 5.7Ghz on Liquid Nitrogen, that means absolutely nothing as a thats a very select few chips and, well, only on Liquid Nitrogen.
That chip also has 60% less cores than Threadripper so it needs to clock higher than that, on Liquid Nitrogen just to match AMD performance at stock.

5ghz on a corsair 280mm aio delidded, 4.8ghz without delid at 1.25v that's the 10 core 7900x.

der8auer just put up videos of his overclocking results and even comments on how they overclock really really well, which isn't suprisng since their 4.3ghz on all cores out of the box

 

[humbug]

Confirmed? really? where?

I know the 10 core does 5.7Ghz on Liquid Nitrogen, that means absolutely nothing as a thats a very select few chips and, well, only on Liquid Nitrogen.
That chip also has 60% less cores than Threadripper so it needs to clock higher than that, on Liquid Nitrogen just to match AMD performance at stock.

I see it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpoies2JcmI&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=F6C0kvxDl9dodo3H-6

Its 4.8Ghz with a 280mm Water cooler.

Its obviously a reaction to all the well deserved negative press Intel have been getting for the ridiculous pricing of their CPU's, 8Pack has also been running round in these threads trying to put out those fires, fires started by well establish tech journalists.

Guys like him are sponsored by Intel, (how do you think they get these chips before everyone else) he will have a crate of already binned CPU's, he will further bin out of them to find the most golden sample to get them to run at those speeds, if you think the ones you buy off the shelves are going to run at anything like 4.8Ghz you're in for a huge disappointment. I'm pretty sure golden samples of X99 also ran at around those speeds, the ones you buy would do 4.4 max.

No one in their right and independent mind would dispute that paying 100% more for a lesser CPU than the competition is anything less than overpriced, be it by request or their own vested interest they are acting as a PR arm for Intel, and i think thats a shame, i can't trust a thing they say any-more, its happened before, in the AthlonXP era, we had all the Intel vested running round trying to put-out fires... its an absolute Deja Vu.

4.8Ghz 20% higher than 4Ghz on a golden sample by a world leading bencher.

Threadripper has 60% more cores and 200% more PCIe lanes and will no doubt do 4Ghz given they already run at 3.6Ghz.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

The 4 core 7700K already uses a lot of power. in gaming 30% more than AMD's 8 core

What? 7700K used 30% more than 8 core Ryzen 7 in gaming power consumption?

That are not true.

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

7700K: 237W
5 1400: 247W
5 1500X: 240W
5 1600: 252W
5 1600X: 252W
7 1700: 245W
7 1700X: 254W
7 1800X: 262W

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/105961-amd-ryzen-5-1400-ryzen-5-1600-14nm/?page=7

Thief

7700K: 283W
7700K OC 5GHz: 310W
5 1500X: 261W
5 1500X OC 4.2GHz: 287W
5 1600X: 268W
5 1600X OC 4.1GHz: 285W
7 1700: 254W
7 1700 OC 4GHz: 288W
7 1700X: 261W
7 1800X: 273W

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-overclocked-benchmark-results-4-1ghz_194024/9
http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-overclocking-best-ryzen-processor_192191/9

I think there are so many other games used less power consumption on 7700K than Ryzen 7 8 core CPUs. Wished all hardware websites reviewed PC games should included PC system power consumption in all games reviews and benchmarks.

I remembered played Evil Within 3 years ago first time on GTX 970, the system power consumption was 250W then I played Evil Within again few weeks ago on GTX 1070 and was surprised to see it used less than half system power consumption at just 120W.