Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Chuk_Chuk · 10 Jun 2017 at 19:13

N19h7m4r3 said:
The results from the 1800X review are still up, with the conclusion of
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_7_1800X/14.html

Wow, no wonder Intel had a word with them. I think they are the only ones to have even mentioned Ryzen's power efficiency, let alone giving them so much praise (rightly deserved to be fair. It is a very impressive feat.)
Compare it the one that athlon posted, notice how his is just a page of graphs with no text.

EsaT · 11 Jun 2017 at 18:22

Chuk_Chuk said:
Wow, no wonder Intel had a word with them. I think they are the only ones to have even mentioned Ryzen's power efficiency, let alone giving them so much praise (rightly deserved to be fair. It is a very impressive feat.)
Compare it the one that athlon posted, notice how his is just a page of graphs with no text.

Also Tomshardware got "more than competitive" power consumption figures for CPU itself. (clearly not whole PC)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1700-cpu-review,5009-8.html
They just didn't make much of a number of that in conclusion.
In Haswell review Techreport had very good CPU power efficiency comparison using extremely well multithreading video compression with Faildozer failing quite abysmally.
http://techreport.com/review/24879/intel-core-i7-4770k-and-4950hq-haswell-processors-reviewed/7
Power consumption/efficiency tests promised later in initial Ryzen review haven't materialized yet in two months.

Ryzen sure isn't perfect but considering how much less resources AMD has it's darn good.

GAC · 12 Jun 2017 at 18:44

well called it about intel and the pcgaming show, x299 megatasking bullcrap pr machine. no coffee lake news it seems :/

but at least destiny is supposed to use all cores which is a nice.

Simon Belmont · 12 Jun 2017 at 18:56

GAC said:
well called it about intel and the pcgaming show, x299 megatasking bullcrap pr machine. no coffee lake news it seems :/

but at least destiny is supposed to use all cores which is a nice.

I thought we would hear about coffeelake today. Oh well.

Chuk_Chuk · 12 Jun 2017 at 19:07

EsaT said:
Also Tomshardware got "more than competitive" power consumption figures for CPU itself. (clearly not whole PC)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1700-cpu-review,5009-8.html
They just didn't make much of a number of that in conclusion.
In Haswell review Techreport had very good CPU power efficiency comparison using extremely well multithreading video compression with Faildozer failing quite abysmally.
http://techreport.com/review/24879/intel-core-i7-4770k-and-4950hq-haswell-processors-reviewed/7
Power consumption/efficiency tests promised later in initial Ryzen review haven't materialized yet in two months.

Ryzen sure isn't perfect but considering how much less resources AMD has it's darn good.

The first graph on tech report is hilarious. Even at idle it consumes more than half the wattage of the intel CPU at full load. How did they get it so wrong.

EsaT · 13 Jun 2017 at 11:32

Chuk_Chuk said:
The first graph on tech report is hilarious. Even at idle it consumes more than half the wattage of the intel CPU at full load. How did they get it so wrong.

Idle power draw is affected heavily by motherboard (easily 10+ W difference) and that Bulldozer had includes kitchen sink gaming hype motherboard from Asus.From 30W to 50W variation in this:
https://uk.hardware.info/reviews/45...5-energy-consumption-idle-avge-over-5-minutes
So hype luxury motherboards don't cost extra just in initial price, but always when using PC to even light use.

The really important part is that last graph showing energy spend during compression.
Would be really interesting to see same comparison now with Ryzen... Intel might well be the one doing chasing part now.

Chuk_Chuk · 13 Jun 2017 at 18:20

EsaT said:
Idle power draw is affected heavily by motherboard (easily 10+ W difference) and that Bulldozer had includes kitchen sink gaming hype motherboard from Asus.From 30W to 50W variation in this:
https://uk.hardware.info/reviews/45...5-energy-consumption-idle-avge-over-5-minutes
So hype luxury motherboards don't cost extra just in initial price, but always when using PC to even light use.

The really important part is that last graph showing energy spend during compression.
Would be really interesting to see same comparison now with Ryzen... Intel might well be the one doing chasing part now.

I didn't realise that, motherboards made such a difference. I'll need to pick my boards more carefully in future.

drunkenmaster · 14 Jun 2017 at 00:08

Chuk_Chuk said:
I didn't realise that, motherboards made such a difference. I'll need to pick my boards more carefully in future.

IO takes power, not sure why people don't know it.

With AMDs, well, I forget exactly which core but one of the Bobcat types, their base chip was say 10W, using the same clocks but turning off I think all USB and all but one sata to go in a tablet it turned into a 4W chip. Connections to off die things cost power, even at idle.

I think My MSI board has some kind of green application in which you can choose to disable certain USB, firewire and other ports which can save you power.

The issue with usb is people want to just be able to plug it in, that means every USB port(unless you disable it specifically) is always on, that meaning, other end of that cable is a controller that has an active connection to that usb port so it can detect something new being connected.

Sata, usb, firewire, e-sata, onboard sound, a second nic(or a first, if you use wireless, or wireless if you use the nic) can all burn power. One of the x370 boards I was looking at had a complete second audio chip which again likely increases power usage for basically no gain, you effectively have a dedicated audio chip for front headphone jack rather than normal auto sensing, completely daft. All these added features cost power. Always go into bios and disable anything you never use if htere is an option. Firewire, some usb ports.

Chuk_Chuk · 14 Jun 2017 at 20:06

drunkenmaster said:
IO takes power, not sure why people don't know it.

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Because it's not often spoken about?

Simon Belmont · 15 Jun 2017 at 10:22

Still no news on Coffeelake? Thinking of going AMD maybe?

zornyan · 15 Jun 2017 at 10:38

Simon Belmont said:
Still no news on Coffeelake? Thinking of going AMD maybe?

everything Intel has said was before the holidays, with the skylake x staggered launch of the 12-18 cores bring between August-october I would hazard a guess it'll be just after that, they'll probably release more specs and information just as the last skylake x chips are coming out.

Simon Belmont · 15 Jun 2017 at 10:50

zornyan said:
everything Intel has said was before the holidays, with the skylake x staggered launch of the 12-18 cores bring between August-october I would hazard a guess it'll be just after that, they'll probably release more specs and information just as the last skylake x chips are coming out.

I hope so mate. Want to upgrade soon, but might wait for the new Cooler Master H500P HAF case. I hear that's in late Sep-early Oct.

zornyan · 15 Jun 2017 at 10:54

Simon Belmont said:
I hope so mate. Want to upgrade soon, but might wait for the new Cooler Master H500P HAF case. I hear that's in late Sep-early Oct.

makes sense for that kind of window tbh, we'll hear more soon no doubt, means they can keep the hype up after skylake x release through till next year.

GAC · 15 Jun 2017 at 12:10

getting a little annoyed now with intel, first up we get told august and then its delays and the only leaked up to date roadmap is for coffee lake laptops to ship q1 2018. the silence as they say is deafening on desktops for now.

Simon Belmont · 15 Jun 2017 at 12:22

GAC said:
getting a little annoyed now with intel, first up we get told august and then its delays and the only leaked up to date road map is for coffee lake laptops to ship q1 2018. the silence as they say is deafening on desktops for now.

I have to agree, Intel don't seem to know anything, which is a bit strange? This is pushing even more people to AMD.

zornyan · 15 Jun 2017 at 12:26

GAC said:
getting a little annoyed now with intel, first up we get told august and then its delays and the only leaked up to date roadmap is for coffee lake laptops to ship q1 2018. the silence as they say is deafening on desktops for now.

the leaked slide shows coffeelake for q3-17 with the z370 chipset, it's the lower end models releasing on the 300 series chipset in q1 18. which is why the coffeelake laptops will be in q1 18 also.

as well as that leaked slide, Intel has said multiple times coffeelake will be here before the holidays.

GAC · 15 Jun 2017 at 12:32

zornyan said:
the leaked slide shows coffeelake for q3-17 with the z370 chipset, it's the lower end models releasing on the 300 series chipset in q1 18. which is why the coffeelake laptops will be in q1 18 also.

as well as that leaked slide, Intel has said multiple times coffeelake will be here before the holidays.

which holidays though, originally was expected next april ish then intel say august now its before holidays which could be thanks giving or christmas. hence im getting sick of waiting all we know is there will be some 6 core chips but nothing else i really do feel they are trying to hold off as long as possible to allow x299 sales to happen which i understand but i dont like one bit as it means people who actually dont want to spend an idiotic amount of money are left twisting in the wind. at this rate im liable to just say sod it and go ryzen sooner than later and hope it isnt a mistake.

zornyan · 15 Jun 2017 at 12:37

GAC said:
which holidays though, originally was expected next april ish then intel say august now its before holidays which could be thanks giving or christmas. hence im getting sick of waiting all we know is there will be some 6 core chips but nothing else i really do feel they are trying to hold off as long as possible to allow x299 sales to happen which i understand but i dont like one bit as it means people who actually dont want to spend an idiotic amount of money are left twisting in the wind. at this rate im liable to just say sod it and go ryzen sooner than later and hope it isnt a mistake.

well thyeve been saying august-septemeber for a while now, and the leaked slide shows august-september, so why doubt them now? "before the holidays" was back in February sometime, which is still august-septemeber. nothing points to otherwise.

TheF34RChannel · 15 Jun 2017 at 17:18

GAC said:
getting a little annoyed now with intel, first up we get told august and then its delays and the only leaked up to date roadmap is for coffee lake laptops to ship q1 2018. the silence as they say is deafening on desktops for now.

You can relax, as I've mentioned and showed before, 6C K parts 95W CFL-S are coming this August with the remainder of the line coming next year, it's as clear as day on the Intel slides yet many seem to ignore them. It's going to be fine. Z370 this year, Z390 next year - board features upgrades.

zornyan · 15 Jun 2017 at 18:37

TheF34RChannel said:
You can relax, as I've mentioned and showed before, 6C K parts 95W CFL-S are coming this August with the remainder of the line coming next year, it's as clear as day on the Intel slides yet many seem to ignore them. It's going to be fine. Z370 this year, Z390 next year - board features upgrades.

I'm very interested in how the new 6 cores are going to be performance wise.

the 10 core skylake x can hit 5ghz, so naturally it's safe to assume the 6 and 8 cores will do so a bit easier due to less heat from less cores.

which begs the question, these new 6 core coffeelake cpus must be able to hit 5ghz easily enough, as they wouldn't have it clocking loeer than an older architecture on x299 would they?

either that, or they genuinely have done something to improve ipc in the architecture.