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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Doobedoo said:
^^^ Agreed. Lol at the 7fps difference BF1 benchmark, especially given the fact that it's clocked 1ghz higher. Anyone that can perceive a 7fps performance difference will win a bag of haribo from me.
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Yeah, its a total non topic. I did a little testing between my Skylake Xeon that has been tuned to extract every last drop of performance It can muster to a Ryzen 8 core with 2933 memory and the difference is nothing. Like you couldn't tell them apart from each other with the exception of maybe one game that I noticed some stutter from the i7.

The performance is really close. Like the Ryzen system is 100 FPS at and the Kaby is 110 or vice versa. The only notable difference between the two is Ryzen is usually around at 25-50% CPU load and the i7 is at 50-90%

Anyway Im sure 3 pages from now all this will be forgotten again.
 
jigger said:
Yeah, its a total non topic. I did a little testing between my Skylake Xeon that has been tuned to extract every last drop of performance It can muster to a Ryzen 8 core with 2933 memory and the difference is nothing. Like you couldn't tell them apart from each other with the exception of maybe one game that I noticed some stutter from the i7.

The performance is really close. Like the Ryzen system is 100 FPS at and the Kaby is 110 or vice versa. The only notable difference between the two is Ryzen is usually around at 25-50% CPU load and the i7 is at 50-90%

Anyway Im sure 3 pages from now all this will be forgotten again.
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How about other titles such as far cry primal?
Again, ryzen performance is very hit and miss. Sometimes its an i7 other times its an i3.
 
gavinh87 said:
How about other titles such as far cry primal?
Again, ryzen performance is very hit and miss. Sometimes its an i7 other times its an i3.
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Well if a dual core is beating a quad and a octo core that says everything really. If you play that game a lot then look at what offers the best performance for the money.
 
gavinh87 said:
How about other titles such as far cry primal?
Again, ryzen performance is very hit and miss. Sometimes its an i7 other times its an i3.
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On average it's close enough to not really matter. If you need the absolute best then get a 7700k or 8700k but lots of people do not really need it or will notice a difference other than when looking at fps bar charts.

Just to a lot of the the review sites seem to be hit and miss.
 
AndreiD said:
@Smoogels Fair point there, there seems to be a lot of variation when it comes to outlets testing BF1 (supposedly due to different test scenarios/maps).

I don't have my old 2600K anymore so I can't test for certain, but this recent GN bench compares an OCed 2600K to recent CPUs: https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2867-intel-i7-2600k-2017-benchmark-vs-7700k-1700-more/page-3
Seems Sandy still has some oomph.
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Sandybridge has always had some oomph. 15% separates all the Intel quad cores and most of those gains come from memory speed. If Intel didn't overclock Kabylake it would be Sandybrige with better integrated graphics. What part of this is confusing people. Sandybridge hasn't got faster.

Coffee lake could be a 6 core Sandybridge. In fact if Coffee lake was a 6 core i7 sandy with the overclocking head room of my 2500k it would murder a 5Ghz coffee lake chip.
 
Doobedoo said:
On average it's close enough to not really matter. If you need the absolute best then get a 7700k or 8700k but lots of people do not really need it or will notice a difference other than when looking at fps bar charts.

Just to a lot of the the review sites seem to be hit and miss.
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The 2 that spring to my mind far cry primal and destiny 2. Which are consistent over a lot of review sites. Forza 7 a dx12 Xbox one port has shown that it heavily favours 2 cores. This whole consoles use 8 so PC's will use 8 needs to stop.

My concern is if ryzen is falling behind now, hows it going to fare with faster GPUs in the future?
The extra cores of the 1700 Vs the 1600 rarely matter, clockspeed however does.
 
Doobedoo said:
Sorry you've lost me.
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You leave performance on the table regardless of choice, I was pointing out your flawed logic in thinking 'a few fps' don't matter.
If extra gaming performance doesn't matter, neither does extra performance in multithreaded applications.

If you want multithreaded at the cost of single core, you go Ryzen.
If you want single core at the cost of multithreaded, you go Kaby.
Coffee Lake could be a bridge between the two, but that's what benches are for.
 
@gavinh87 Destiny 2 is a spicy one:
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gavinh87 said:
The 2 that spring to my mind far cry primal and destiny 2. Which are consistent over a lot of review sites. Forza 7 a dx12 Xbox one port has shown that it heavily favours 2 cores. This whole consoles use 8 so PC's will use 8 needs to stop.

My concern is if ryzen is falling behind now, hows it going to fare with faster GPUs in the future?
The extra cores of the 1700 Vs the 1600 rarely matter, clockspeed however does.
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It's not falling behind for the most part it holds it own, some games are less able to use all the available power which isn't ideal but it's not that bigger deal.

You have already shown the BF1 charts where a 5.1ghz 7700k is 7fps faster than a 4.0ghz 1700. Forza 7 using 2 cores just shows that it's been badly ported would you not say.
 
AndreiD said:
You leave performance on the table regardless of choice, I was pointing out your flawed logic in thinking 'a few fps' don't matter.
If extra gaming performance doesn't matter, neither does extra performance in multithreaded applications.

If you want multithreaded at the cost of single core, you go Ryzen.
If you want single core at the cost of multithreaded, you go Kaby.
Coffee Lake could be a bridge between the two, but that's what benches are for.
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Well benchmarks aren't a true mesure of performance all the time. The mulitcore performance of Ryzen is in another league to Kaby. The single core performance is negligible just like a whole host of chips.

What is worth noting is Ryzen can pretty much match anything offered by Kaby at a much lower clock speed and with minimal CPU load.
 
jigger said:
Ryzen isn't falling behind it getting faster. Don't be concerned at all.
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Is there anything outside of tombraider and ashes of the singularity to show its getting faster? After agesa 1.0.0.6 there has been no improvements as far as I can see.

Doobedoo said:
It's not falling behind for the most part it holds it own, some games are less able to use all the available power which isn't ideal but it's not that bigger deal.

You have already shown the BF1 charts where a 5.1ghz 7700k is 7fps faster than a 4.0ghz 1700. Forza 7 using 2 cores just shows that it's been badly ported would you not say.
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This is what I've said the performance is hit and miss. Having to rely on devs to scale their game over 8 cores is a bad idea.
We can see that destiny 2 and forza 7 do not do this. There will be many upcoming games that do not do this either.

@AndreiD Having seen the destiny slide was pretty much the last deciding factor that made me want to switch back to intel. As much as a lot of their business practices stink, you know an i7 is always going to be at the top.
 
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