Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Panos · 4 Jul 2017 at 22:43

Doobedoo said:
But.... They only do it because people buy them. Such is the Intel paradox.

Yeah. Especially when we going to have 8 core laptops with full blown 1700, people will buy 4 core crippled mobile I7s

jabbz · 4 Jul 2017 at 22:47

jabbz · 4 Jul 2017 at 22:48

He who controls the spice controls the universe!

Doobedoo · 4 Jul 2017 at 22:58

jabbz said:
He who controls the spice controls the universe!

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Sorry couldn't resist.

wonkytrout · 4 Jul 2017 at 23:00

It's a bit of a distracting name

Doobedoo · 4 Jul 2017 at 23:02

Panos said:
Yeah. Especially when we going to have 8 core laptops with full blown 1700, people will buy 4 core crippled mobile I7s

To be fair though an 8 core zen 1700 laptop is a niche market, not much will change until they release their apu's. Then barring another bribing session Intel should find it hard to sell laptops.

jabbz · 5 Jul 2017 at 00:38

DragonQ · 5 Jul 2017 at 10:03

Most laptops have 2c/4t Core i7s or Core i5s, let alone the 4c/8t Core i7s. Raven Ridge should be a huge shake-up of the mobile market because the cheapest Intel 4c/8t mobile CPU is $378. AMD's equivalent will almost certainly be cheaper and have far better on-board graphics.

SiDeards73 · 5 Jul 2017 at 13:57

Doobedoo said:
To be fair though an 8 core zen 1700 laptop is a niche market, not much will change until they release their apu's. Then barring another bribing session Intel should find it hard to sell laptops.

Your kidding right? the majority of Laptops we buy are i5's, however i have to spec i7's for quite a few users in accounts and some engineering staff who use some pretty heavy number crunching apps and sheets, even the i7's wilt under some of this stuff... were crying out for more crunching power quite often

Even the 4 core i5's struggle with too much open at once, standard laptop build for us is i5 (Skylake now) Win10, Office 2016, 8GB Ram, 250GB SSD, they are quick, but once you start opening a few programs up and running, they start to slow down.

The accounts users have i7's and similar specs to above and again they start to choke under heavy use.

I have one guy who does data modelling, i7 16GB of ram laptop and its still slow

Obviously some of this is going to be software not being multicore optimized but the only way to ensure that happens is to make more cores the standard.

DragonQ · 5 Jul 2017 at 17:30

SiDeards73 said:
Your kidding right? the majority of Laptops we buy are i5's, however i have to spec i7's for quite a few users in accounts and some engineering staff who use some pretty heavy number crunching apps and sheets, even the i7's wilt under some of this stuff... were crying out for more crunching power quite often

Even the 4 core i5's struggle with too much open at once, standard laptop build for us is i5 (Skylake now) Win10, Office 2016, 8GB Ram, 250GB SSD, they are quick, but once you start opening a few programs up and running, they start to slow down.

The accounts users have i7's and similar specs to above and again they start to choke under heavy use.

I have one guy who does data modelling, i7 16GB of ram laptop and its still slow Obviously some of this is going to be software not being multicore optimized but the only way to ensure that happens is to make more cores the standard.

To be fair, laptops are always going to be behind in performance compared to desktops due to relative lack of cooling and power usage requirements. Those jobs don't really sound suitable for laptops to begin with. I'm sure some people have specific requirements but surely in general it'd be more sensible to remote into a power powerful machine to do number crunching than doing it directly on your laptop?

Doobedoo · 5 Jul 2017 at 18:12

SiDeards73 said:
Your kidding right? the majority of Laptops we buy are i5's, however i have to spec i7's for quite a few users in accounts and some engineering staff who use some pretty heavy number crunching apps and sheets, even the i7's wilt under some of this stuff... were crying out for more crunching power quite often

Even the 4 core i5's struggle with too much open at once, standard laptop build for us is i5 (Skylake now) Win10, Office 2016, 8GB Ram, 250GB SSD, they are quick, but once you start opening a few programs up and running, they start to slow down.

The accounts users have i7's and similar specs to above and again they start to choke under heavy use.

I have one guy who does data modelling, i7 16GB of ram laptop and its still slow Obviously some of this is going to be software not being multicore optimized but the only way to ensure that happens is to make more cores the standard.

Sorry mate I'm not quite sure where you saw me claim that laptops are at the bleeding edge.

In an ideal world we would all have the very best of the best in all situations but that's not the case, especially when it comes to laptops. The laptop market is almost elusively oem, and the market is governed by factors, cost, power draw and heat. How much will the ASUS GL702ZC cost? My bet is much more than the majority are willing to pay.

Will their be people who need it and are willing to pay the earth for it? of course, just like someone will pay 25k for one of 8packs crazy beasts.

Amd will bring more power and affordability with Raven Ridge and maybe Intel will respond, but until then you get i5's and i7's. Just the way it is.

TheF34RChannel · 12 Jul 2017 at 21:43

New Coffee Lake-S ES with 6C/12T @ 3.2-3.6 GHz + SuperMicro C7Z370-CG-L motherboard show up at SiSoftware database

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_system.php?q=cea598ab9fa79fab9cbadde0cdfcdaa895a482ebd6e6c0a895a583fbc6f6d0b5d0edddfb88b58d&l=en

- thanks Sweepr!

GAC · 12 Jul 2017 at 22:01

just had a quick trawl through for a 1600x at 3.6ghz and it beats the coffee lake. which sees wrong tbh as clock for clock intel has always been faster. but at this stage who knows.

TheF34RChannel · 13 Jul 2017 at 15:22

GAC said:
just had a quick trawl through for a 1600x at 3.6ghz and it beats the coffee lake. which sees wrong tbh as clock for clock intel has always been faster. but at this stage who knows.

Yeah. I also have a hard time believing this will be the speeds it launches with (like it's 2008), whereas before we saw a similar/the same part with 4.12GHz. It's an ES so too early to tell.

GAC · 13 Jul 2017 at 15:57

TheF34RChannel said:
Yeah. I also have a hard time believing this will be the speeds it launches with (like it's 2008), whereas before we saw a similar/the same part with 4.12GHz. It's an ES so too early to tell.

well we dont know if they are the release speeds, but even if they arnt whats the best we could be looking at 3.8 to 4.2 boost maybe, get the feeling il be dropping cash on a ryzen 1700 in a month or so now.

TheF34RChannel · 13 Jul 2017 at 16:30

GAC said:
well we dont know if they are the release speeds, but even if they arnt whats the best we could be looking at 3.8 to 4.2 boost maybe, get the feeling il be dropping cash on a ryzen 1700 in a month or so now.

The other ES was 4.2GHz, I was mistaken before. It can do a much higher boost out of the box I'm sure, 14nm++ and all.

GAC · 13 Jul 2017 at 16:35

TheF34RChannel said:
The other ES was 4.2GHz, I was mistaken before. It can do a much higher boost out of the box I'm sure, 14nm++ and all.

so maybe a 4.6-8 oc but at what cost, looking at what has happened with x299's im not sure how well even a 6 core 12 thread chip will clock without trying to melt the surrounding pc case.

TheF34RChannel · 13 Jul 2017 at 19:01

GAC said:
so maybe a 4.6-8 oc but at what cost, looking at what has happened with x299's im not sure how well even a 6 core 12 thread chip will clock without trying to melt the surrounding pc case.

.6/.7 I can see, higher than that out of the box I cannot. It's a completely different design so I don't think we should compare this mainstream part with HEDT. Obviously I don't have the answers so we should wait and see how it pans out. I think we'll be okay though.

GAC · 13 Jul 2017 at 19:29

TheF34RChannel said:
.6/.7 I can see, higher than that out of the box I cannot. It's a completely different design so I don't think we should compare this mainstream part with HEDT. Obviously I don't have the answers so we should wait and see how it pans out. I think we'll be okay though.

yeah and il be honest i was saying the same to intels pr guy on here, about being a different chipset. but id imagine they have a similar process so strapping on 2 more cores may cause similar issues if coffee lake was going to be yet another 4/8 cpu.

TheF34RChannel · 13 Jul 2017 at 20:06

GAC said:
yeah and il be honest i was saying the same to intels pr guy on here, about being a different chipset. but id imagine they have a similar process so strapping on 2 more cores may cause similar issues if coffee lake was going to be yet another 4/8 cpu.

I don't follow I'm afraid, sorry. I don't get the suggested relation in your last sentence.