For desktop, Icelake, which is at least a year away. 10 nm Cannonlake for mobile devices is due next year too.
I'd expect a second generation of Ryzen CPUs to be released before then, but probably not the 7 nm 6-core-per-CCX versions.
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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017
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I'd expect a second generation of Ryzen CPUs to be released before then, but probably not the 7 nm 6-core-per-CCX versions.
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Why are people expecting any IPC increase? The mind boggles, it might gain some performance in specific tasks, but the quoted single thread increase is clearly just from a faster boost/turbo clock. Put the 8700K up against the 7700K at the same frequency and it'll be margin of error differences.
The 8700K is a 6 core 7700K, so I have no idea why anyone is getting excited, it'll be $350 twice the price of the R5 1600, and a waste of money if you are gaming only, the 8600K will need to be £199 or less to get the best bang for buck, but I'm sure it will take the performance crown for gaming, certainly it will make the 7700K and 8700K lot massively over priced.
The 8700K is a 6 core 7700K, so I have no idea why anyone is getting excited, it'll be $350 twice the price of the R5 1600, and a waste of money if you are gaming only, the 8600K will need to be £199 or less to get the best bang for buck, but I'm sure it will take the performance crown for gaming, certainly it will make the 7700K and 8700K lot massively over priced.
lol
7700k is the best gaming only option.so now they bringing out a faster than 7700k option with 6 cores its a waste ?
haha its the best chip for gaming and it basically going to be even better for similar price.its faster than any ryzen in games and those extra two cores will count.its basically the chip you should be buying if you a gamer for next few years.
Imma suggest that's conditional on them sorting out the TIM... 6 kaby cores with crap heat transfer to the spreader could gimp overclocking, meanwhile Zen+ only needs 10-15% on the stock clocks over Ryzen and it's majorly attractive.
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7700k is the best gaming only option.so now they bringing out a faster than 7700k option with 6 cores its a waste ?
haha its the best chip for gaming and it basically going to be even better for similar price.its faster than any ryzen in games and those extra two cores will count.its basically the chip you should be buying if you a gamer for next few years.
Do you actually read people posts, or just jump straight in to attack mode? Why is the 8700K going to be useful at all, if the 8600K will have 6 cores and potentially be £100+ cheaper, and clock to the same frequencies, seems like it will be the new gaming CPU choice. So there is no 'extra' two cores, just SMT which isn't going to make sod all difference if games don't even use 6 cores properly.
None of this matters if it's too expensive. I asked before and got no reply: at what budget bracket is an i7-7700K worth buying for a new gaming rig right now? I can't think of any. The i7-8700K might fare better in that regard but it won't be any cheaper and it certainly won't be viable except at the super high end.7700k is the best gaming only option.so now they bringing out a faster than 7700k option with 6 cores its a waste ?
haha its the best chip for gaming and it basically going to be even better for similar price.its faster than any ryzen in games and those extra two cores will count.its basically the chip you should be buying if you a gamer for next few years.
I agree with Journey that the i5-8600K is far more tempting if it's similar to current Core i5 pricing: compared to an R5 1600 you basically sacrifice SMT for higher base clocks. It may end up having a shorter lifespan and not be as good for other heavily threaded tasks but it probably ends up being better for pure gaming right now.
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Indeed. If anyone wants a quad core atm, he will be better off to buy the 7740. Far better CPU than the 7700K.... And it trashes it at 2560x1440 when GTX1080Ti is used. Shame Intel didn't made the 6 core X299 a Kabylake.
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Haha!
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enjoy a proper review with GTX1080Ti and 2560x1440
Also the 7740 has better chances to go over 5.2Ghz than the 7700K.
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7700k is the best gaming only option.so now they bringing out a faster than 7700k option with 6 cores its a waste ?
haha its the best chip for gaming and it basically going to be even better for similar price.its faster than any ryzen in games and those extra two cores will count.its basically the chip you should be buying if you a gamer for next few years.
Does it come with a deliding kit
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Well that settles it, the best gaming CPU is 7740. Yet this is hardly recommended....
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Wow, that 7740X what a bargain, especially with its bargaintastic X299 motherboard at only £415 he tested it on. So only just over £730 for the CPU and board.
It's hard to know what to do, at least with AMD you can reuse the old board continuously.
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Well as AM4 matures, it will become more, and more appealing to those who are sick of changing sockets with Intel. AFAIK the Z370 is the last 1151 socket chipset, and the '8' series chips will be the last 1151 CPU's, so you literally have no upgrade path if you are buying into 1151 now, and even if you did buy in at the Z170 generation, you can't actually upgrade, if you already had say the 6700K. Intel could reuse 1151 on their 10nm die shrink, but even then it's not really an upgrade as it will more than likely just be the same performance on the smaller node, with a chance of clocking higher, and a lower TDP. Hopefully I am wrong, but in this instance only time will tell, although maybe Intel will do an 8c/16t 10nm chip for it, who knows.
the thing is how many buy a mobo with a cpu. keep the same mobo to upgrade ? often many here will buy the best they can then upgrade mobo and cpu next time they upgrade.by the time most do that 3 -5 years had passed. the platform is pretty slow incomparision to whats out.so makes no sense doing so.
say you get a lower end ryzen now. how many are going to buy a lower end cpu then buy the top end cpu for that platform in 3 years time ? no one or very few as it doesnt make financial sense to do so.cause there will be something cheaper and just as fast on a newer platform by then.
blah blah the mobo he tested it on above there is £200 x299 boards.you dont have to go for the best.everytime.
intel know what they doing blah blah the amd bus and i like amd stuff. the intel chips release for what they made for and do it well.
if you ignoring intel just because they are priced higher then your being foolish.forget brands go for what works and what is the fastest for your needs.
say you get a lower end ryzen now. how many are going to buy a lower end cpu then buy the top end cpu for that platform in 3 years time ? no one or very few as it doesnt make financial sense to do so.cause there will be something cheaper and just as fast on a newer platform by then.
blah blah the mobo he tested it on above there is £200 x299 boards.you dont have to go for the best.everytime.
intel know what they doing blah blah the amd bus and i like amd stuff. the intel chips release for what they made for and do it well.
if you ignoring intel just because they are priced higher then your being foolish.forget brands go for what works and what is the fastest for your needs.
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Idk how you add up, but the CPU goes for ~300-303 atm, and an Asus raider or the Tuf going for 202-220. So between £502 and £530 not £730
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People do that because they have been forced to, by Intel changing the socket time and again. Lest not forget, it is easy for the motherboard manufactures to add new features while still retaining the same socket, so having the option to drop in the best new performing CPU, in an old system is ideal for a lot of folk who have a very stable rig, and just want more CPU horsepower. All you need to do is check the number of people in MM looking for 3770K's/4790K's or in the past Q9550/Q9650 for the 775 sockets. It makes more sense, than blowing money on a component that makes almost zero difference (motherboard) to the performance of the system, where the rest can be put towards graphics cards, and disk subsystems etc.
Also you should never, ever, under any circumstances whatsoever try and give financial advice to anyone based solely on this comment !!!
"say you get a lower end ryzen now. how many are going to buy a lower end cpu then buy the top end cpu for that platform in 3 years time ? no one or very few as it doesnt make financial sense to do so.cause there will be something cheaper and just as fast on a newer platform by then."
How is just buying a CPU, and dropping it in your current system, more expensive than upgrading your whole system, are you stoned? Also, the platform if it remains the same will have access to all the CPU's from all the years, so your comment makes even less sense.
Sometimes I despair...
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He stated he used a Gigabyte Gaming Aorous 7 x299 - £415. SO I add up correctly, by reading what he actually used.
What the hell are you on about?