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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Journey said:
Well as AM4 matures, it will become more, and more appealing to those who are sick of changing sockets with Intel. AFAIK the Z370 is the last 1151 socket chipset, and the '8' series chips will be the last 1151 CPU's, so you literally have no upgrade path if you are buying into 1151 now, and even if you did buy in at the Z170 generation, you can't actually upgrade, if you already had say the 6700K. Intel could reuse 1151 on their 10nm die shrink, but even then it's not really an upgrade as it will more than likely just be the same performance on the smaller node, with a chance of clocking higher, and a lower TDP. Hopefully I am wrong, but in this instance only time will tell, although maybe Intel will do an 8c/16t 10nm chip for it, who knows.
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TBH I normally only change CPU's every 5 years so for me that isn't much of a bother, I just want a decent 6 core CPU that is the best at gaming now.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
the thing is how many buy a mobo with a cpu. keep the same mobo to upgrade ? often many here will buy the best they can then upgrade mobo and cpu next time they upgrade.by the time most do that 3 -5 years had passed. the platform is pretty slow incomparision to whats out.so makes no sense doing so.

say you get a lower end ryzen now. how many are going to buy a lower end cpu then buy the top end cpu for that platform in 3 years time ? no one or very few as it doesnt make financial sense to do so.cause there will be something cheaper and just as fast on a newer platform by then.


blah blah the mobo he tested it on above there is £200 x299 boards.you dont have to go for the best.everytime.

intel know what they doing blah blah the amd bus and i like amd stuff. the intel chips release for what they made for and do it well.

if you ignoring intel just because they are priced higher then your being foolish.forget brands go for what works and what is the fastest for your needs.
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Exactly, and I agree with you.

Also at the moment all the CPUs manufactured with the ring topology, don't require game or driver optimisations to perform their best. See how the Broadwel-E or the Skylake (no X) and Kabylake/KabylakeX perform on the significant of the majority of the games even at 2560x1440, when GPU isn't bottleneck. (aka the 1080ti is been used).
Both AMD (Zen) and Intel (SkylakeX - mesh) do require gaming optimisations, which for many current games hasn't come yet, and for many other games ain't going to come ever. Especially MMORPGs.

Personally after a lot of thought and calculations, instead of buying a threadripper or 7900X or 6950X (~£800) and having to sell the 6800K to offset costs of motherboards, new cooling solutions etc, it will be cheaper to keep the 6800K doing the rendering and the development work since i wont care less about how much time it takes, and play games with a heavily overclocked 8700K. I have space for 2 rigs, while I don't need any other piece of hardware to make both work.
And if I could find a case to fit both rigs, it will be perfect :)
 
Doogles said:
TBH I normally only change CPU's every 5 years so for me that isn't much of a bother, I just want a decent 6 core CPU that is the best at gaming now.
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Do you literally mean "normally", or just in the last decade, so Core 2 Quad, then Intel Core? Since changing a CPU once every 5 years before that would have left you using a something really terrible for a while, surely?
 
Journey said:
Do you literally mean "normally", or just in the last decade, so Core 2 Quad, then Intel Core? Since changing a CPU once every 5 years before that would have left you using a something really terrible for a while, surely?
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Well before I built this PC I had a laptop which was enough for my needs which I had for 5 years, so yeah I'd say upgrading every 5 years in that department is about right. Hypothetically if I brought a Q6660 it would have been enough for me until Sandy/Ivy arrived. One of the nicest things about upgrading hardware is getting support for newer things on the latest chipset, like Nvme support and the like.
 
Article on Coffeelake on a financial site
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4100391-intel-eclipse-competition-monday

Seems to be calling the AMD "gluing" solution okay for the low to mid range but Intel forthcoming gluing solution for the high end. Also this more modular design has been around @ Intel for a while (patent for it) so not a reaction to AMD? Those are the summaries I've picked up on while quickly scanning through the article
 
I bought a PC in 2003, an Athlon 64 build. I had to upgrade in 2007 to run Supreme Commander, I did it as cheap as possible so I got a dual core AMD 4200+. Based on the performance of APB in 2010 I felt like I had to upgrade again so I got a quad core i7 930. Seven years later I am still using that i7 930, I have not had to replace this CPU yet because it's hamstringing my gaming.

I'd say an overwhelming majority change hardware when it's needed, and multiple generations can go by in that time so the average user will be changing motherboard along with the CPU anyway just like I have done since 2003 from socket 754 to AM2 to 1366. If I didn't vendor swap and went AMD again then I'd still need to swap mobo to AM3 and if I bought an AM3 chip I'd be swapping now to AM4 or TR. And if I bought Ryzen and now want Threadripper I'm changing board again.

I just don't see the socket changing as a big deal.. I don't know if I want an 8600k or 8700k next or a Ryzen or TR. But what I do know is that when I need to change my CPU after that I'll have to change my motherboard.
 
It depends what comes to the am4 socket in future. If it means better cpu and memory speeds for just putting a new cpu in it could make a lot of sense. Part of the cost covered by selling the old cpu. Rather than spending a lot on a full upgrade.

If money is no object rather than looking for a good value for money option other options open themselves up.
 
AthlonXP1800 said:
8350K spotted on Userbenchmark.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-8350K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-1300X/3935vs3930

It used Gigabyte GA-Z370 AORUS Gaming 7 motherboard, faster than Ryzen 3 1300X at around same price.
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I get the feeling that all of the wind is going to be taken out of Ryzen's sails in the coming months, which is probably no good for anyone except Intel.

It's a shame because they do look like they've tried so very hard. AMD must have spent more money on marketing and packaging than R&D by now. It all looks so shiny.
 
=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
Hadn't realised the prices were released?
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They haven't been. The speculation on that website is £125, which is around £10 more than the R3 1300X. Core i3 moving to 4c/4t makes it much more competitive with Ryzen, although this'll be Intel's only overclockable Core i3 presumably. It'll almost certainly clock higher which may make it a really nice mid-range gaming chip (between a Pentium G4560 and an R5 1600).
 
If I had the cash available I possibly would upgrade my haswell to a newer intel chip, mainly because of DDR4 and the enhanced number of PCI lines available on the newer chipsets.

I would love to ditch intel as I hate their annual cpu refreshes (shouts cash grab with such frequency) and the stupid amount of socket changes they do, but I need a ryzen that can clock to 5ghz or at least exceed intel's IPC so it can match a 5ghz skylake chip.
 
DragonQ said:
They haven't been. The speculation on that website is £125, which is around £10 more than the R3 1300X. Core i3 moving to 4c/4t makes it much more competitive with Ryzen, although this'll be Intel's only overclockable Core i3 presumably. It'll almost certainly clock higher which may make it a really nice mid-range gaming chip (between a Pentium G4560 and an R5 1600).
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Their current duel core HT i3 was released at £170 and still costs £140, if they are releasing a 4 core at £125 that is a massive shift in pricing at this level. If true Ryzen really has been a huge success.
 
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