iOS6 Changing how you see the world

Love the usual people defending Apple! Even though they really shouldn't when obviously Apple have produced an app that is awful.

Aren't Apple supposed to produce extremely polished apps? It just goes to show that innovating in this particular space, isn't as simple as they once thought. This should have been released with the iPhone 5s/6.
 
Crafty said:
More hillarious is that engadget are not covering the story at all ! :)
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They cover it here - http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/20/apple-ios-6-maps-problems/

Although it's hardly more than 8 lines stating that "a few things are out of place"....



As for the WiFi fault.... I am not sure what Apple's thinking is having WiFi connect ability linked to some webpage. If true, all it would take is for a DDoS attack and all iOS6 devices would not connect to WiFi? More info needed TBH.
 
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Richie said:
That's not really a proper comparison. You are showing the price Apple charges for a 16GB upgrade to it's phone (16GB > 32GB) and then compare it to the price Samsung + <A.N.Other Company> charge to increase the memory by the same amount before then saying Samsung don't rip off customers as much as Apple do.

If you are going to compare 2 companies then you need to keep it that way.

Apple may charge slightly more for the same memory upgrade but Samsung are not that far behind.


At least if you are going to **** off a company and promote another, keep the argument fair.
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I'm not doing that at all. What I am doing is showing how much it will cost me, the end user, to upgrade to phone to at least 64GB of storage. The means of doing so are irrelevant. All that matters is the cost.

That's the point I was making. Memory space is important to me, as is price. With the GS3 I can get 64GB extra memory for £45, whereas to do that on the iphone would be an extra £170 (for only an extra 48GB) on a starting price which is already higher! Before anybody calls me out as some form of fanboy, I'll happily (and regularly do) slate ANY phone manufacturer who releases a phone without a microSD, and chargers more than the current microSD price for memory upgrades.
 
Wow, this thread is funny in how Apple have really ***** up with their mapping, and Apple disciples defending them like the Church of Scientology.
 
What's best is somehow they are blaming Google for not having an app!!

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DAnDan said:
I'm not doing that at all. What I am doing is showing how much it will cost me, the end user, to upgrade to phone to at least 64GB of storage. The means of doing so are irrelevant. All that matters is the cost.

That's the point I was making. Memory space is important to me, as is price. With the GS3 I can get 64GB extra memory for £45, whereas to do that on the iphone would be an extra £170 (for only an extra 48GB) on a starting price which is already higher! Before anybody calls me out as some form of fanboy, I'll happily (and regularly do) slate ANY phone manufacturer who releases a phone without a microSD, and chargers more than the current microSD price for memory upgrades.
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You either can't see the wood for the trees or you are posing an argument that is very particular and biased towards, in this case, Samsung.

My point was, you are slating Apple for overcharging customers for extra memory even though Samsung do the same but then give Samsung an "out" by putting in a caveat to the argument.

What about HTC's One series where you don't even get an option for extra memory. What is your opinion on HTC's One series and memory?
 
Richie said:
You either can't see the wood for the trees or you are posing an argument that is very particular and biased towards, in this case, Samsung.

My point was, you are slating Apple for overcharging customers for extra memory even though Samsung do the same but then give Samsung an "out" by putting in a caveat to the argument.

What about HTC's One series where you don't even get an option for extra memory, albeit your caveats above will probably give them an "out" again. What is your opinion on HTC's One series and memory?
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I don't think he is. It seems pretty straight forward to me. I think the only reason he's brought Samsung in to it is because he happens to have a GS3.

The essence of his point is that it's unecessarily expensive to get an iPhone with a large amount of storage, whereas a lot of other phones have microSD slots you can use to up the storage for significantly less.

For me, that makes a very big difference to the handset I choose to buy, and is one of the many reasons I avoid iPhones, but I also wouldn't buy an Android handset that lacked a micro SD slot.

If you want to see biased, go read Glaucus's posts, they're just concentrated ramblings of a crazy person who doesn't seem to "get" the whole opinion thing.
 
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Richie said:
You either can't see the wood for the trees or you are posing an argument that is very particular and biased towards, in this case, Samsung.

My point was, you are slating Apple for overcharging customers for extra memory even though Samsung do the same but then give Samsung an "out" by putting in a caveat to the argument.

What about HTC's One series where you don't even get an option for extra memory. What is your opinion on HTC's One series and memory?
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You don't seem to understand that for the end-user, the type of memory has no relevence whatsoever. What matters is the AMOUNT of memory, and the COST. In this case, the GS3 with the microSD slot is clearly better than the iPhone for the amount of memory you get for the price. Pretty simple really.

If the iPhone had a microSD slot, it wouldn't be the case. But as it doesn't, that's just the way it is.
 
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I don't think he is. It seems pretty straight forward to me. I think the only reason he's brought Samsung in to it is because he happens to have a GS3.

The essence of his point is that it's unecessarily expensive to get an iPhone with a large amount of storage, whereas a lot of other phones have microSD slots you can use to up the storage for significantly less.

For me, that makes a very big difference to the handset I choose to buy, and is one of the many reasons I avoid iPhones, but I also wouldn't buy an Android handset that lacked a micro SD slot.

If you want to see biased, go read Glaucus's posts, they're just concentrated ramblings of a crazy person who doesn't seem to "get" the whole opinion thing.
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To be fair if you take it back to the point originally made all the way back on page 2..

cymatty said:
We shouldn't laugh at the poor souls who are paying £600 for a $200 device

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/virtual-teardown-estimates-iphone-5-part-cost-at-199

Oh wait, lets. ;)
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Now let's be honest a lot of electronic goods are going to be like this and what I think people were saying was that even the Android devices released in a ~£450-~£550 price band will have similar part costs to retail price ratio.

I think it's funny how the entire thread has just degenerated into a generic Apple bashing thread. Yes it is funny that they have messed the maps up and to be honest they've messed it up far worse than I had originally realised, and some of the pictures doing the rounds are hilarious :p

However does that justify people coming into the thread and posting irrelevant stuff just to say how big and bad Apple is? In my opinion no, and unfortunately it just reinforces having separate forums for iPhones and other mobile phones which is frankly a ludicrous situation.
 
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To be fair if you take it back to the point originally made all the way back on page 2..



Now let's be honest a lot of electronic goods are going to be like this and what I think people were saying was that even the Android devices released in a ~£450-~£550 price band will have similar part costs to retail price ratio.

I think it's funny how the entire thread has just degenerated into a generic Apple bashing thread. Yes it is funny that they have messed the maps up and to be honest they've messed it up far worse than I had originally realised, and some of the pictures doing the rounds are hilarious :p

However does that justify people coming into the thread and posting irrelevant stuff just to say how big and bad Apple is? In my opinion no, and unfortunately it just reinforces having separate forums for iPhones and other mobile phones which is frankly a ludicrous situation.
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Well the second part, I'm definitely all for. Companies gotta profit and all that. I'm also not short sighted enough to not understand that a BOM doesn't equate the the whole cost of the production of a product.

I do however dislike the price gouging that companies do on storage capacities, it is however not something that's restricted to Apple, BUT Apple do seem to be taking it to a bit of an extreme.

Storage capacity isn't something you can really attribute to R&D costs or anything else, since the actual production costs of the lowest end highest iPhone will be the same (production cost, not the actual material used), so the disproportionate price hike between the different levels of storage capacity is something I dislike when done to such an extreme, but then for me it's not particularly relevant as I wasn't going to buy an iPhone for many other reasons before the storage capacity prices become an issue.
 
zenf1 said:
You don't seem to understand that for the end-user, the type of memory has no relevence whatsoever. What matters is the AMOUNT of memory, and the COST. In this case, the GS3 with the microSD slot is clearly better than the iPhone for the amount of memory you get for the price. Pretty simple really.

If the iPhone had a microSD slot, it wouldn't be the case. But as it doesn't, that's just the way it is.
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so on the default SG3 can everything be stored on the sd card if the internal memory is full?
 
Ade74 said:
so on the default SG3 can everything be stored on the sd card if the internal memory is full?
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As far as I'm aware, yes. I don't own a GS3 but I've got a GS2 and I can store everything on the sd card if I want.

Having said that, I never would store everything on the sd card. I use my sd card for my PSX/N64 games, music collection and TV programs/films, and keep the internal memory for apps.
 
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spoffle said:
I don't think he is. It seems pretty straight forward to me. I think the only reason he's brought Samsung in to it is because he happens to have a GS3.

The essence of his point is that it's unecessarily expensive to get an iPhone with a large amount of storage, whereas a lot of other phones have microSD slots you can use to up the storage for significantly less.
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zenf1 said:
You don't seem to understand that for the end-user, the type of memory has no relevence whatsoever. What matters is the AMOUNT of memory, and the COST. In this case, the GS3 with the microSD slot is clearly better than the iPhone for the amount of memory you get for the price. Pretty simple really.

If the iPhone had a microSD slot, it wouldn't be the case. But as it doesn't, that's just the way it is.
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I do understand, the argument seems to have spun away from the initial point which was wrongly argued and to which I was referring to


dasyad said:
To be fair if you take it back to the point originally made all the way back on page 2..

cymatty said:
We shouldn't laugh at the poor souls who are paying £600 for a $200 device

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/virtual-teardown-estimates-iphone-5-part-cost-at-199

Oh wait, lets. ;)
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Now let's be honest a lot of electronic goods are going to be like this and what I think people were saying was that even the Android devices released in a ~£450-~£550 price band will have similar part costs to retail price ratio.
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^^^ what he said ^^^



I fully appreciate and I DO get that it is cheaper to upgrade the storage on a phone with an SD slot but the initial argument was comparing phones from the manufacturer and the difference between what said manufacturers charge for a memory upgrade themselves e.g. 16GB iPhone/S3 upgraded to 32GB iPhone/S3 from the factory

The argument was flawed as cymatty was comparing "Apple" to "Samsung+<A.N.Other company providing SD cards>"


My posts make it very clear that this is what I was referring to.




p.s. if it helps - I don't like Apple as a company (their ethos and how they do things more rather than their actual products). I have a Samsung S3 since launch and have been Android since the HTC Desire launched (Android 2.1, Eclair). I am NOT defending Apple here as some sort of fanboy but if you are going to put an argument forward then at least be fair or be prepared to be called out on it by someone. If not by me, like in this case, then by an ACTUAL Apple fanboy.
 
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