iPhone/iPod Touch Firmware 2.2 is up

Loving the ability to download Podcasts on the fly, that's great but I'm a bit saddened by the fact that if I delete a Podcast from my device that it gets added again when the next sync happens and podcasts that I've downloaded on the iphone/touch don't get added automatically to iTunes.

Perhaps that's some future functionality that will be added.
 
bigredshark said:
How long does it take people to get this, apple have no option, their accounting methods require them by law to charge for additional functionality on the ipod touch. The iphone has an ongoing charge for service and hence additional functionality can be delivered under that, the ipod doesn't, hence you must pay.
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iPhone PAYG has no ongoing service charge.
So stop moaning like apple are just spinning it to make extra money because they simply aren't.
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Why isn't it $1?
 
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bigredshark said:
How long does it take people to get this, apple have no option, their accounting methods require them by law to charge for additional functionality on the ipod touch. The iphone has an ongoing charge for service and hence additional functionality can be delivered under that, the ipod doesn't, hence you must pay. So stop moaning like apple are just spinning it to make extra money because they simply aren't.
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lol what? "accounting methods require them by law" - that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
 
Durzel said:
lol what? "accounting methods require them by law" - that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
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As has already been mentioned in this thread if you'd bothered to read it, US accounting laws, specifically SAB 104 and SOP 97-2 mean they HAVE to charge for additional functionality. I've been reading up on this today, it's a minefield.
 
If you fancy a read, have a look here. It explains it pretty well.

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They decided to give current iPod Touch users the ability to upgrade, and have all the apps that the iPhone has - for a price.

Why?

It’s the law. Unfortunately, there is a horrible little law called Sarbanes-Oxley, that legally doesn’t allow you to add features to products that you have already been paid for. Apple couldn’t add features for free. They had to charge something for them. Apple has gotten around this for the iPhone and AppleTV, by accounting for their payments over the course of 24 months. This means that they can keep adding new features to your iPhone or AppleTV for free for up to two years. They didn’t use this accounting method for the iPod Touch however. This means that legally, they can’t just add apps to the iPod Touch for free. Why charge $20 then? Why not just charge $1? The $20 for 5 apps comes out to about $4 per app. This is most likely the price that Apple will be selling third-party apps at, and wanted to keep their prices consistent.

I also believe that Apple chose to use this as a test of their system for purchasing and installing apps through iTunes. This could be a giant test, to see how a part of their SDK system works in the real world. I am sure that they are furiously working in Cupertino right now finalizing the SDK to get it out to developers as soon as possible.

But in the end, it really comes down to what you bought in the device. You bought the device for $300 or $400, and knew what it would do. Apple has now given you the option of upgrading your device to do a lot more, for only $20. You don’t have to do it. You can just stay with what you originally bought. I don’t own an iPod Touch, but I know that if I did, I would be grateful that they gave me the option, instead of doing nothing.
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Feek said:
As has already been mentioned in this thread if you'd bothered to read it, US accounting laws, specifically SAB 104 and SOP 97-2 mean they HAVE to charge for additional functionality. I've been reading up on this today, it's a minefield.
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So how does that sit with - for example - games? Valve is a US based company and has provided "additional functionality" to Team Fortress 2 without requiring any form of payment?

Seems like a strange law but you obviously know more about it than I.
 
bigredshark said:
Well, I have no idea what 'the NXE' is but it depends who the manufacturer is (down to any regional subsidiary) and what accounting standards they use.
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NXE is the "New Xbox Experience" for the Xbox 360. It completely transforms the 360 dashboard and enables users to install games to the 360's hard drive.

Also as mentioned. What about the iPhone 3G PAYG?
 
Durzel said:
So how does that sit with - for example - games? Valve is a US based company and has provided "additional functionality" to Team Fortress 2 without requiring any form of payment?

Seems like a strange law but you obviously know more about it than I.
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Software only so it doesn't have 'multiple deliverables' and is hence not covered, whereas apple provide hardware and software so there are multiple deliverables.
 
wush said:
iPhone PAYG has no ongoing service charge.
Why isn't it $1?
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payg iphone is sold to the carrier over 24 months, hence it's an ongoing revenue to apple's accounting. How the carrier wishes to charge you is up to them, but even if it wasn't the ongoing requirement to pay for service (that is credit) would arguably fulfill the requirement anyway.

It's not $1 because it add significant functionality and the price is usually meant to be set according to the VSOE, in which apple have to break down the costs of the device for accounting purposes. Hence whatever it says in there is the development cost of the app that's what gets charged, hence something simple (the 802.11n enabler) is cheaper. I've heard a story there's some technicality exemption from the VSOE valuation in apple's case but can't confirm that.
 
I don't know about any of that waffle regarding accounting laws and stuff, but I do understand Durzel's original point about the company not being obligated to provide extra features.

I don't see how anyone can think any different.
 
my safari crashed yesterday

only happened the once so far, was doing it a lot before i updated

apart from that ive not seen any increase in speeds, seems the same to me!
 
lmfy2k said:
my safari crashed yesterday

only happened the once so far, was doing it a lot before i updated

apart from that ive not seen any increase in speeds, seems the same to me!
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! How hard is it to stop Safari crashing! Mine will start doing it now I bet!
 
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