To me I like to think of pride and shame being opposites. And if you were to ask me if I'm ashamed to be white my answer would be categorically no. But if I'm proud of it? I think I am but I'd be inclined to not say it publicly because of what people would assume from me saying it.
Is it ok to be proud to be white?
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Anyone that's proud of the colour of their skin must have incredibly low expectations.
Indeed, being proud of your achievements is one thing, being proud of something you had zero control over (or knock others for the same predicament), that takes a fairly naive/stupid/insular/ignorant individual.
Stop peddling identitarian nonsence .
Some of the most deprived and academically underperforming children in the UK are white boys. There are specific schemes designed to promote the engagement of women and ethnic minorities in education and employment in the UK.
Some white people are privelleged by birth and others are not , much like others ethnicities.
Its an insidious, demonstrable falsehood to peddle white privellege like this and not beffiting if anyone who wants to be taken seriously whilst using 'dr' in any title.
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I suppose the point is: lots of people have it tough, but white people don't have the additional challenge of being disadvantaged due to their skin colour.
It's not that white people necessarily have it easy, but that their skin colour isn't one of the things making it harder.
What like people assuming that white people "don't have the additiona challenge of being disadvantaged due to their skin colour" is in fact you prejudicing someone because of their skin colour and in this example white people.
You do realise by saying "but white people don't have the additional challenge of being disadvantaged due to their skin colour. " You are literally doing what you are saying doesn't happen.
You are prejudicing white people as not having any hardship due to their skin colour, because of their skin colour i.e. being racist.
It's baffling how you don't see this.
Depends on the context, for example if you really want a career as a police officer or perhaps you want to work at the BBC etc.. you might find there are initiative to specifically recruit you if you're non-white or even specific training schemes that white people can't apply to etc..
If you're applying to some US universities then being black is a big advantage, being asian is a big disadvantage, being white is generally in between.
If I say short people don't have aren't impeded by low doorways, am I suddenly giving them further impedance?
This would be the police force for which I've been hearing that shtick for about 20+ years? The police force that is still over-represented by white people? I'm not sure that counts, to be honest.
But, in any case, taking these tiny facets of society and saying "look, there's a rebalancing here" doesn't actually confront the lack of balance in everywhere else.
But what about if you exfoliate and moisturise regularly?
You are preemptively judging (prejudicing) them based on their height. You are doing the same for white people.
You are assuming white people are never disadvantaged because of their skin colour. It's racist. In the same way assuming black people will definitely be disadvantaged because of their skin colour is also racist because it's just straight up ******** and untrue.
If you genuinely can stand there and say "all white people will never be discriminated against because of their skin colour, I don't care who you are, I will hold this belief about you based solely on the colour of your skin" you are a racist.
This isn't making logical sense. Would you like more time to try and gather your thoughts?
It does make logical sense, what part are you struggling to comprehend?
You are just admitting right here, that you are prejudicing all white people as never being disadvantaged due to their skin colour. You are doing what you are saying is not happening to white people. You are making an assumption about a group of people based on their skin colour. It is racist.
Well, of course it's largely what you MAKE of yourself that gets you places but... still... not really...
TBH dude, I meant it more as a humorous jibe then some demonstrable philosophical truth so chill your beans down to a light simmer.
You don't seem to understand what racism is.
Prejudicing someone based on their race?
Like what you do to white people? Yes I do know what it is.
Why doesn't it count?
You need to be more specific here, those were simply two counter examples that demonstrate your claim wasn't true. What balance are you referring to - if it is the makeup of different jobs etc.. you might want to consider that choice/preference, cultural differences/expectations etc.. play a part here too.
Plenty of white people can be disadvantaged or suffer racism - perhaps white people born in a different country who speak English as a second language, maybe white people born in different parts of the UK or with regional accents etc..
It's not racist to comment on how society treats different races. That's judging society, it's not judging the races in question.
It's slightly amazing to need to explain this, frankly. Are you trolling me?
Cheesyboy based on what you've said. You would see a white person and automatically assume they've never been "disadvantaged due to their skin colour" purely based off of the fact that they're white.
You are fulfilling the rule of: "I assume <x> about you because you are <skin colour here>".
Here's you: "I assume you've never been racially discriminated against because you are white" - You can't see how this is racist.
But if you assumed "I assume you have really pushy parents because you are asian" - You could see how this is racist.
Assuming anything about someone because of their skin colour is racist.
And to quote you: "It's slightly amazing to need to explain this".
Because whatever mechanisms are feeding into society to cause it, the police are still hiring more white people than they should based on population demographics - white people are still more likely to work for the police than black people. So any brake they put in place to try and correct that is not swinging the pendulum the other way. At best, it's pushing it a little back towards the middle.
See the police example. It's not an advantage for black people if.... it's not actually an advantage for black people.