Is it ok to be proud to be white?

This place never fails to surprise me. It's no wonder hate crime is on the rise. Well done guys, well done.

Crime in general has also increased according to stats so hate crime has naturally increased with it. Hate crime was actually on a pretty good downward trend until the terrorist attacks in Manchester and London Bridge last year - funny how that works.
 
The fact you have to ask means that it's a loaded statement. Not only because it holds a lot of negative connotations these days, but also because there's not just one type of 'white person', just as there isn't one type of black person, culturally and geographically speaking.

I guess it's like asking why campaigns against male rape aren't quite as in the forefront of society. There isn't as much of a precedent in history for that having been something a large portion of males had to overcome like it is with females . Is it right that those campaigns aren't as widely seen? Probably not, but it's just a thing that society has to adjust to overtime.

I don't think it's right, but I don't necessarily think it's wrong either. I'd like to say 'aspire to be proud of who you are', but it's not as simple as that.

Don't know what my point is really. Either way, who cares. Just be a decent mother ****** xD
 
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I completely agree with this viewpoint.

In respect of being 'proud'? to be white? I don't perceive my skin colour to be relevant to any discussion on whether I do or should feel proud etc. I don't feel any form of attachment to it, because its not unique, its not a deciding factor on who I am.

Pride isnt always about personal achievement. When my son performs well at school, or my daughter wins an award at her ballet class I feel a sense of pride despite the achievement being squarely theirs without my contribution.

I am proud of my British heritage, I am proud of what our little country did and has achieved in its time, again without any personal contribution by me. My pride is a sense of attachment and belonging to something that is bigger than me. I maybe an insignificant cog in the process, but I do feel a part of it. I don't 'feel' a part of being white....if there is such a thing.

There is to some people. You see "British" as an identity. Some people see "race" as an identity. Some people see sex as an identity. Some people see gender as an identity. Some people see sexual orientation as an identity. There are all sorts of things that some people see as being a group identity.

That's not necessarily a problem in itself, but it strongly lends itself to group advocacy which is a problem. Whitists advocate for "whites", feminists advocate for female people, etc. That always promotes irrational prejudice and if group advocates have any power that always causes irrational discrimination (which is just a result of having enough power to impose irrational prejudice on other people). That's true even in its mildest possible form, but if there's any power involved the ideology won't be driven by its mildest possible form because believers in less mild forms will have more desire for power and will therefore have more influence over the ideology. Blaming "the Other" is an effective way to gain power from group identity. Blame the jews, blame the homosexuals, blame the men, blame the "whites", blame the French, blame the English, blame the Bourgeoisie...the group it's fashionable to target changes from time to time and place to place, but the idea remains the same and remains very effective. So group advocacy will be driven by people who do that and gain power from it along with a feeling of righteousness.
 
Being proud of something that happened to you through no hard work of your own is a weird concept in itself to be honest, regardless of the subject.
 
Not in 2018. If your white you are required to be ashamed of yourself.

Didn't you know? It's all our fault that rich white guys had slaves 185+ years ago!
It's in our genes. It's in our memes.

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Dunno how you can be proud of a skin colour.
It's like saying I'm proud to have brown eys lol.
 
I guess one can be proud as the converse seems true, given the number of products to change dark skin's appearance to be whiter, and the number of black celebrities who have attempted with varying degrees of success, to appear "whiter".. I have never seen cosmetics or other chemicals on sale to make white people's skin resemble that of a black persons. BTW, anyone seen the Heineken advert that seems to have raised some controversy?
 
I'm not sure what point you are even trying to make. You realise that a lot of Brits cover themselves in tanning lotion to look darker skinned, right?

In many Asian countries lighter skin is seen as being preferable because darker skin tends to mean you are a manual labourer out in the sun, and therefore less 'successful' than those with office/indoor jobs.
 
I'm not sure what point you are even trying to make. You realise that a lot of Brits cover themselves in tanning lotion to look darker skinned, right?

In many Asian countries lighter skin is seen as being preferable because darker skin tends to mean you are a manual labourer out in the sun, and therefore less 'successful' than those with office/indoor jobs.
It's ironic that now, in Britain, being tanned is more an indicator of wealth. It shows you have the money to go on holiday to sunnier climates. Whilst pasty white skin implies you spend your days indoors either unemployed or slaving away at an office cubicle.
 
It's ironic that now, in Britain, being tanned is more an indicator of wealth. It shows you have the money to go on holiday to sunnier climates. Whilst pasty white skin implies you spend your days indoors either unemployed or slaving away at an office cubicle.


I think Ian Fleming in one of the Bond books had Bond musing that he hated a sun tan as it made you look as if you worked "on the roads".

He also had Bond saying to an admirer that liking his good looks to an American film star was an insult.

How times change!
 
I'm not sure what point you are even trying to make. You realise that a lot of Brits cover themselves in tanning lotion to look darker skinned, right?

In many Asian countries lighter skin is seen as being preferable because darker skin tends to mean you are a manual labourer out in the sun, and therefore less 'successful' than those with office/indoor jobs.

Whilst I accept that some people feel the need to plaster fake tan on, or visit tanning salons, I have yet to see a product that is actually devised and marketed to make a white man look black, save boot polish used by touring Maypole dancing types and by Thespians such as some of the cast of "It ain't half hot mum" ;)

In fact it nowadays appears politically incorrect, even in pantomime for white people to attempt to take on the appearance of black people, although the converse seems perfectly acceptable and generally uncommented... Although this article shows that not to be an all enveloping rule:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...hy-I-believe-betraying-black-Asian-Women.html
 
like people have said, i don't see why people can feel proud about something they have no control over.
Its like saying i am proud to be taller than most people, or that my hair is brown - its pointless and i had nothing to do with it.
 
If science came up with no side effects pills to allow one to change one's ethnic appearance to that of another, solely based on skin colour, or by choice, generally, would it be a best seller? *I* would like to risk buying shares in its marketing! I think I am right in that some drugs have unintended (maybe intended, I am not a pharmacologist) side effects in changing skin colour tone?
 
If science came up with no side effects pills to allow one to change one's ethnic appearance to that of another, solely based on skin colour, or by choice, generally, would it be a best seller? *I* would like to risk buying shares in its marketing! I think I am right in that some drugs have unintended (maybe intended, I am not a pharmacologist) side effects in changing skin colour tone?
I can get hold of inject-a-tan jabbers. I know a few ultra-vain wannabe models and bodybuilders. No side effects what-so-ever, perfectly safe. You might notice a "few" more moles appearing but nothing else. Haha
 
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