Is it time to ban LED Headlights

Quite. Also for someone who prefers the 1980s he seems to be moaning about all this new technology a lot... on the Internet !
 
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They are terrible, also our village has just fitted leds to all the lamp posts, they give off hardly no light onto the floor but are blinding when you look up at them.
 
I realised driving home last night this actually applies to cyclists as much as cars.

There were a couple of cyclists coming opposite direction to me, they had really bright LED lights on their cycles, seemingly pointing straight on. Whilst the sheer light output isn't remotely at car levels, they are pretty much aligned at head level, and once I had passed them i could see that sort of shadow you can when a bright light has moved from your vision.

They aren't at the completely blinding level yet, but compared to the old lights where they seemed to have less power than a candle any more development and cyclists are surely also going to need to dip their lights!

As they are on "full beam" is it fair to return full beam as well? ;)

Must point out this is on completely unlit roads, so I understand why they need some decent light, and thats why they seem so bright as they are not competing vs street lights etc, but should they not in effect comply with the same dipping. I doubt many need to see the road more than 10 meters or so ahead anyway
 
ttaskmaster said:
Of course you can. People do it all the time. That is a massively long and very different topic under psychology though
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Im bored now of the other jibberish, but on this point its almost as if someone had preprepared the answer ;)

The subconscious mind:
Think of the subconscious mind as the storage room of everything that is currently not in your conscious mind.

The subconscious mind stores all of your previous life experiences, your beliefs, your memories, you skills, all situations you've been through and all images you've ever seen.

The best way to understand the subconscious mind is to look at the example of the person who wants to learn how to drive a car. At the beginning he wouldn't be able to hold a conversation with anyone while driving as he would be focusing on the different moves involved. That's because he's still using his conscious mind to drive.

The subconscious mind; your Autopilot!
Few weeks later driving becomes a natural habit that happens automatically without needing to think about it. That person could even start using his cell phone or talking to his friends while driving.

This happened because the driving habit has been transferred to his subconscious mind and so the conscious mind become free. This allowed him to use it to talk in his cell phone.

https://www.2knowmyself.com/subconscious_mind
 
ttaskmaster said:
So you try to substantiate your assertion that you cannot control your subconscious mind, by posting a link that asserts you can... assuming you buy their book:
"How you can you program your subconscious mind"
It's just a few lines below the end of the segment you quoted.

Firstly, their grammar and proofreading is ******* attrocious.
Secondly, even they very faintly touch on what many other more credible sources go into detail about when explaining exactly how everyone controls their subconscious.

Thirdly, how the hell did you find this page........? Oh, wait, no, I see how:

"The book How to make someone fall in love with you is one of the 2knowmyself.com publications; the book will dramatically increase your chance of someone fall in love with you."

I don't know whether I should be flattered that you feel this way about me, or enraged that you're still trying to market and sell things at me!!
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LOL your really hilarious.

It was on the first page of google search and I picked it for the car example seeing as it was nicely relevant.
The main point however goes to confirm the dictionary definition that you cannot dictate what your subconcious thinks about, but yes you can sort of train it to me more likely to work a certain way, thats not what you claimed.

I have to ask again if english is your first language because it really feels its not, you seem to grasp most words but not the nuances and seem to keep wanting to react to what you think people have written as opposed to what they actually wrote.

Anyway there are more useful things to do so I will plop you on ignore to avoid seeing any more dribble so I am not tempted to help you as that was where I started ;)
 
This has really turned into whose willy is bigger thread and gone totally gone off topic. Thing is LED headlights will never be banned and they will, like technology does, only improve. This time of year, with mist and fog, driving home at night is a revelation and I look forward to watching my matrix lights doing their dance...
 
*REVIVAL*

given earlier comments about mini lights brightness thought this was a sad/salutory tale heard a R4 programme on, over xmas
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/apr/05/i-became-a-killer-fatal-road-accident-forgiveness.


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By 5pm it was as dark as night. I headed east out of Holt and swung round the righthand bend, preparing to join the A148, the bypass. From a side road a small car nipped in front of me and slipped into a space in the traffic. Someone’s in a hurry, I thought.

I turned left on to the main road, and began to move up through the gears. That’s when a car coming towards me flashed its lights. This used to happen to me a lot in the Mini. So much that a couple of years earlier I’d taken it back to BMW to get it checked; yes, my headlights were wrongly adjusted and I had inadvertently been annoying other drivers. So when this driver flashed, I instinctively flashed back: “No, those aren’t my main beams – these are, see?”

The time between my flash and the impact was infinitesimal. And yet in that moment I glimpsed a face in the road. It had a look of incredulity, as if saying, “What the hell are you doing?” The moment was so brief. From seeing that shape, a hunched outline against the black of the night, to the sickening smash was instantaneous. No time to react, to respond, to brake

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“What were you doing?”

“I could ask the same of you.”

“You flashed me. I thought you’d seen me and were letting me cross the road.”

“I flashed the other driver.”
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beyond retaliatory flashing , personally thought if the driver cannot find an explanation for failing to see pedestrian, how can he trust himeslf driving again
 
I like bright headlights, it sets you apart from halogen equipped peasants.

Brighter the better.

Mine are RETINA BURNING, and when faced with oncoming retina burners also, I have a smug sense of mutual respect, and often wonder if the other retina burner at the wheel has a similar train of thought, as we smugly glide past each other with luminosity and power just a small step away from nuclear fusion.

I often get flashed by the unfortunates with Halogens, then give a quick flick of FUSIONBEAM, sorry full beam, to let them know that my dipped beams are more powerful than even their puny full beams.
 
jpaul said:
beyond retaliatory flashing , personally thought if the driver cannot find an explanation for failing to see pedestrian, how can he trust himeslf driving again
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Unlit road, pedestrian in dark clothing... you only need to add less than perfect weather and it can easily happen. Just last night I got closer than comfortable to a woman walking in the road before spotting her. I'd spotted her husband in his bright red coat, I'd even clocked the reflective strip on his dogs lead but she was almost invisible in her black coat and trousers against the lights of an oncoming car.
 
I don't think LED lights need to be banned. My Dad tells me there was similar furore over halogen headlights when they became commonplace, it's just that people didn't have the internet to publicise their whining.

As for auto handbrake or whatever, I had a company car with it and found it pretty useful. The only annoyance I noticed was that very occasionally it would engage of you were rolling forward at low speed which was a bit annoying. I then switched to a car with a conventional manual handbrake and adapted in a few minutes.

It's really no big deal.
 
LEDs on bikes can be just as bad, have been dazzled by them plenty of times.

On a few occasions in the dark mornings I have seen (barely) people walking, running or cycling in dark clothes and have only seen them at the last minute. It showed how easily this kind of incident can occur.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
LEDs on bikes can be just as bad, have been dazzled by them plenty of times.
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They are also very misleading.

As pretty much point sources. at nighttime, they convey little or no distance information.

Is that cyclist 50 yards away, or 10ft??

Or as happened with me last winter as I pulled out into an unlit mini roundabout.

Those two bright LED lights side by side were not, in fact, an approaching vehicle some considerable distance away, but a cyclist who was actually already on the roundabout. :eek:

No impact fortunately, but I bet he will have been convinced that he had done all the right things to make himself visible and was puzzled that he hadn't been "Seen"

There was a reason why bike lighting was regulated and standardised. Other road users would be able to identify cyclists at night by their lighting and tell how far away they are by virtue of the relative brightness.

None of this applies today. It is completely random. :/


CaptainRAVE said:
On a few occasions in the dark mornings I have seen (barely) people walking, running or cycling in dark clothes and have only seen them at the last minute. It showed how easily this kind of incident can occur.
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The other problem with the car lights, is that the modern ones have a much sharper cut off when on dipped beam. With traditional lights there was usually sufficient bleed so that despite the beams being directed at the road. One could still make out objects much further away than 25 yards.

With the LED ones, there is basically a lit area, and an unlit area. Objects, like people, in the unlit area remain invisible until you get close enough for them to be illuminated by the dipped beams. Which isnt really very far away.

It begs the question about how fast should one travel in dipped beams.

"Strict" interpretation of rules of safety, assuming a visible horizon of 25 yards would suggest that the maximum "Safe" speed on dipped lights on an unlit road would only be around 20Km/Hr

Anything faster than this and you are trusting to fate that the road ahead will be clear!
 
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