Is it time to sack Wenger?

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Shamikebab said:
So he's one of the top 3 managers in the world but not good enough for Arsenal?
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No. when i posted that i was drunk :p

point is, i wanted wenger out ages ago and changed my tune when i thought we was good enough to finish top 4 and thats looking very doubtful.

top 3 manager? what do u reckon mate?
 
jonneymendoza said:
No. when i posted that i was drunk :p

point is, i wanted wenger out ages ago and changed my tune when i thought we was good enough to finish top 4 and thats looking very doubtful.

top 3 manager? what do u reckon mate?
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I reckon he's top 2 in this country, easily.

just because his team is faltering now doesn't mean he's not up to the job, they have lost big players in Fabregas/Nasri/Wilshere this season so you can't blame him for that.

do you remember George Graham and Bruce Rioch? i would have loved to have heard you fair weather arsenal fans back then :D
 
Shamikebab said:
Oh yes it would be hard to argue that Wenger and Fergie weren't the top 2 managers in the country.
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Unfortunately some people can't see this.

I really do think the biggest reason that Wenger hasn't spent big now is because of the board. There was something going about at the beginning of the season where the board were willing to pay the transfer fees (as was Wenger) but they weren't willing to break the wage structure they have, which they need to if they are to attract the £25m+ players they were after.

However, whether this is true or not - Wenger would never come out and say it's true, as I think he's too loyal to the club.
 
What I find amazing about Wenger is how he manages to get all of his teams playing the same way, you only have to look down the years of Carling Cup ties and how his reserves have consistently knocked out Premier League opposition as a testament to this. Obviously you get the knee jerk reaction of OMG so and so's going to be TBPITW and 9 times out of 10 when they move elsewhere they're just another David Bently/Jermaine Pennant but again it's just a testament to Wenger of getting more than he should out of players

Take the recent game against City, Arsenal's midfield that day was Song, Ramsey & Arteta yet the quality of football they played that day was not that much short of the previous seasons trio of Song, Fabregas & Nasri/Wilshire. I dont think anyone would disagree that the signing of Arteta appeared to be one of desperation but look how he's slotted in at Arsenal, it's revitalised his career!!

Like Fergie Wenger's a little stubborn when it comes to spending money where it's needed and yeah you have to question some of his defensive buys but him and Fergie are by far the two best managers in the league. No one else comes even close tbh
 
Arsenal fans have been moaning since the summer of 2005, last time they actually won anything, gets a bit boring.

Face it you are a team that cant win anything any more, you are like Liverpool.

Go back to when United/Arsenal dominated, only Liverpool/Newcastle came close to challenging them, now you have the likes of City, Chelsea and Spurs that have the players and belief they can compete for the title and muscle in on the party.
 
Tom84 said:
What I find amazing about Wenger is how he manages to get all of his teams playing the same way, you only have to look down the years of Carling Cup ties and how his reserves have consistently knocked out Premier League opposition as a testament to this. Obviously you get the knee jerk reaction of OMG so and so's going to be TBPITW and 9 times out of 10 when they move elsewhere they're just another David Bently/Jermaine Pennant but again it's just a testament to Wenger of getting more than he should out of players

Take the recent game against City, Arsenal's midfield that day was Song, Ramsey & Arteta yet the quality of football they played that day was not that much short of the previous seasons trio of Song, Fabregas & Nasri/Wilshire. I dont think anyone would disagree that the signing of Arteta appeared to be one of desperation but look how he's slotted in at Arsenal, it's revitalised his career!!

Like Fergie Wenger's a little stubborn when it comes to spending money where it's needed and yeah you have to question some of his defensive buys but him and Fergie are by far the two best managers in the league. No one else comes even close tbh
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Would u say Wenger is easily in the top 3 in the world?
 
jonneymendoza said:
Would u say Wenger is easily in the top 3 in the world?
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Easily in the top 3 in the world? No
Arguably in the top 3 in the world? Without a doubt

What makes you think Arsenal should have unequivocally one of the best 3 managers in the world anyway?
 
Shamikebab said:
Oh yes it would be hard to argue that Wenger and Fergie weren't the top 2 managers in the country.
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It's hard to argue he wasn't one of the top two and likely a better manager than Fergie for a few years way back when.

is anyone out there argueing Henry is the best striker in the world NOW. But a manager, because he doesn't run around can't have good and bad years, good and bad spells, or simple get much better or much worse?

Wenger as one of the top two managers in the country in the past 5 years, not a chance.

CasKirensys said:
Unfortunately some people can't see this.

I really do think the biggest reason that Wenger hasn't spent big now is because of the board. There was something going about at the beginning of the season where the board were willing to pay the transfer fees (as was Wenger) but they weren't willing to break the wage structure they have, which they need to if they are to attract the £25m+ players they were after.

However, whether this is true or not - Wenger would never come out and say it's true, as I think he's too loyal to the club.
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This IS NOT the case at all, Arsenal can't afford to spend 150mil a year on wages. If Wenger wasn't paying 60k a week to Walcott, Diaby, Song and other random crap players, we could pay less BETTER players more money.

The board won't put one of our current players on 150k and watch Wenger want to put all the other crap players on 150k a week also.

THe fundamental problem here is, IF the board allowed Wenger to spend another 40mil on wages, would he bring in new players, or give Walcrap a 100k a week contract to stay? would he bring in an actual DM, or pay Song 100k a week then another attacking central mid 100k a week to actually play DM while Song pretends he is.


Wenger has gone from a 65mil a year wage to 115million a year while seriously degrading the quality of the squad, in every position, and all our backup and he's done this not in one transfer window but over 6 years. He consistently backs the WRONG players time and time again, and rather than drop Walcott or sell him, or actually motivate him to stop being such a god damned female genitalia, he just gives him new contracts.


People really don't seem to cotton on to the fact we are spending 50 million more a year, every year, completely due to the fact that we've moved to a bigger stadium that can support that level of spending. The Emirates moved us from a team capable of supporting 60-70mil a year, borderline, to being able to spend 110-120mil a year with a bit more profit for transfer spending, and he's wasted the ENTIRE extra budget on a worse team.


Being a manager isn't ONE job, its his job to bring in youth and experience players, its his job to make substitutions, to improve players, to work on the mental strength of the team, to keep them fit and healthy, to make the tough decisions to cut players who aren't good enough, to sell on players who don't make it, to be strong in negotiating contracts and transfers, etc, etc.

In his first 5-6 years he got almost all of this right, these days, I don't think he's getting anything right.

The drop in quality of the squad is directly Wenger's fault. If we kept Flamini and sold Song/Denilson/Diaby, we'd be a better team, be saving upwards of 5mil a year over the past 5 years and with a better team we'd be winning more, possibly winning titles and less likely to have multiple players ask to leave because the team isn't going anywhere.
 
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Did he just flip flop in the space of 2 hours and 3 posts?

IMO i think Wenger has easily punched above his weight at time's with what he's had to spend (Both on Signing Fee and Wage Structure). Just look at some of the serious talent he has developed.

Top 5 Managers (I no particular order) - Guardiola, Mourinho, Wenger, Fergie and Brendon Rodgers (Sounds ridiculous, but I think the type of football he has Swansea playing is unbelievable for a team, of lets be honest, nobodies in the grand scheme of football across the world)
 
Wenger does well with the background stuff, I doubt many would argue that he's good with finances, has done a fantastic job in keeping us in the Champions League while switching stadiums, and has had a massive impact on our youth system and the type of players that we put through it, a very clever man but he's starting to lose his way a bit with the on-field stuff. I think that the best scenario would be to start looking at either a shake up of the back room, or possibly bringing in another manager and making Wenger a director of football or similar position where he can offer suggestions and guidance, still have a hand in a supervisory type role but the manager still would get the final say.

Ancelotti would be a worthy appointment in my opinion and while Arsenal will be eternally grateful for Wenger's achievements, we can't just sit back and watch our club stagnate while our rivals improve year upon year.
 
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