Is it time to sack Wenger?

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[ASSE]Hinchy;21203078 said:
I doubt the Arsenal board would want to pay Mourinho's wages.

I think Arsenal's next manager will be someone picked by Wenger, and he is very keen on Dragan Stojkovic. I can't see the philosophy at the club changing as it is being run like a proper sustainable business. If I was an Arsenal fan I'd be proud of how the club is still up there. Were it not for billionaires splashing out big on the top teams, I imagine they would still have been right at the top and able to attract more of the top stars with affordable wages. It is the astronomical wages the big spenders are paying that is putting Arsenal where they are, but if UEFA stick to their word (which I don't expect them to) Arsenal should be back up there soon.

Furthermore, I'd just like to add that I find the stick Arsene Wenger gets is absolutely appalling. Arsenal fans seem to think that they have a god given right to be top of the league and that they should just spend all that they have to get there. To call for Wenger to be sacked is an incredible lack of loyalty, especially considering the flack Nasri got for leaving Arsenal for a lack of loyalty. Something seems to have gone wrong somewhere in that Arsenal fans think Wenger owes them something. For me it is the other way round.

Wenger could have left Arsenal to go and join Real Madrid on countless occasions and showed loyalty to what is a much smaller club. Now things are still good but not good enough for some fans, he's being lynched. Poor show in my opinion.


Being an arsenal fan is nto easy though mate. One minute we bang in 7 past blackburn, next minute we get battered and outplayed my swansea and defend like headless chickens.

We have had lots of DUD players in our team too like diaby and denilson to name a few. The thing is, How can we compete with city and united when they throw money at success(especially city.) Its difficult man and unless FIFA adopt this financial fair play rule. Arsenal are screwed. i like how we do business, im not denying that, but Wenger has made some poor decisions mate. That is why some of us are questioning Wenger.
 
Being an arsenal fan is nto easy though mate. One minute we bang in 7 past blackburn, next minute we get battered and outplayed my swansea and defend like headless chickens.

We have had lots of DUD players in our team too like diaby and denilson to name a few. The thing is, How can we compete with city and united when they throw money at success(especially city.) Its difficult man and unless FIFA adopt this financial fair play rule. Arsenal are screwed. i like how we do business, im not denying that, but Wenger has made some poor decisions mate. That is why some of us are questioning Wenger.

Arsenal aren't the only team to have dud players and Wenger isn't the only manager to have bought one. Buying young players is Arsenal's method and every time anyone buys a young player it is a gamble. As was said recently above, lots of young players show promise and never kick on from there as injuries can interfere along with them thinking they have already made it big.

For example, when Denilson and Vela were coming through and getting games in the League Cup, they looked potentially very good players. At the moment its not looking like they will fulfil their potential but they are by no means bad players and the club will likely get some money back for them when they get shipped out.

Wenger has a methodology and I respect him for sticking with it, despite the unwarranted pressure from fans wanting to pay unsustainable wages and transfer fees. I doubt many other managers in the world would be able to achieve what he has achieved with Arsenal under the same limitations that he seems to have had placed on him by the board.
 
Hey Arsenal fans, Sack Wenger so he can come to the Villa cheers!

Dunno why jonneymendoza thinks Mourinho is the answer to Arsenals problems.
 
If we don't have any money to spend, who can you honestly say will come in and do a better job?

We both have money, so your argument is flawed, and I think ANY manager will get rid of Diaby, Denilson, Walcott, Djourou, Squillaci, Gervinho, that's more money, and wages saved, and 5 replacements who maybe can actually play football.

Stop pretending Wenger is as good as he was over 7 years ago, he is not. 7 years ago NO one could do a better job, this year, few managers couldn't do better.

What can most managers do with a HUGE budget, they can hire a defensive coach who can..... coach defenses, they can get rid of players who..... can't play football. They can stop spunking money on awful players, Mert, Gervinho, Benny. LOTS of managers could do a BETTER job spending less. Again I'll point out Wenger was doing significantly better 7 years ago on almost half the yearly spending, half. Our yearly spend has ALMOST DOUBLED and people pretend that we don't spend money and Wenger doesn't have money to spend. We're spending 50mil a year MORE THAN SPURS, and we're how far behind they today, unfortunately I think that proves that, Harrr could even do a better job.


Can anyone name a single defence Wenger has put together that hasn't looked incompetant? no, the ONLY time the defence worked, like the entire time Arsenal were winning things, was on the inherited defence that was largely at Arsenal BEFORE HE JOINED. Yes, Sol/Lauren/Cole/toure/Gilberto were great players and were mostly Wenger buys, however importantly all of them joined when we had Keown/Adam's, they "learnt" the system from those guys, the defence had a leader and a teacher. Since Adam's/keown completely left every "new" defence has been shoddy and useless.

Much as I love Verm he's both not reliable fitness wise and still not a patch on Campbell at his best, Song vs Gilberto, Lauren vs Sagna, Cole vs bunch of crap left backs, Toure vs Kos/Squillaci/mert/Djourou, all laughble drop in quality that most managers wouldn't have allowed to happen.
 
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We both have money, so your argument is flawed, and I think ANY manager will get rid of Diaby, Denilson, Walcott, Djourou, Squillaci, Gervinho, that's more money, and wages saved, and 5 replacements who maybe can actually play football.

I can understand with people getting frustrated with Walcott but id rather keep him at Arsenal, hes still only 22 so hes got loads of time left, and as for Gervinho, whats the point in getting rid of him, hes played 24 with 4 goals and 7 assists. Its still his 1st sesaon, hes still young and hes proved he can score and had a great record in France, hes gona turn out to be a great signing.
 
All the top managers want to come in and spend big to shape their team, we clearly don't have the resources to do this which was the point i was trying to make above. Selling those players for peanuts won't allow us to make big transfers.
 
I can understand with people getting frustrated with Walcott but id rather keep him at Arsenal, hes still only 22 so hes got loads of time left, and as for Gervinho, whats the point in getting rid of him, hes played 24 with 4 goals and 7 assists. Its still his 1st sesaon, hes still young and hes proved he can score and had a great record in France, hes gona turn out to be a great signing.

I hope Gervinho will come good and not be another Chamakh, as he started off great last season but tailed off and now has become non existant...i suppose having RVP back fit again doesnt help.

Dont really know about Walcott anymore, unless Wenger decides to play him as an out and out striker then maybe he will be more successful but him as a winger just doesnt work for us...he will have the odd game where he is superb but then go back to being an absolute turd.

The problem with getting rid of the players that are mentioned above is who in their right minds would want those rejects??...clearly they arent good enough to play for Arsenal so do we sell them for peanuts therefore losing money or keep them therefore continuing the current rot we have in our squad and as DM says, ***** more money on their wages...
 
Nope, completely wrong, again, Gervinho is horrifically poor defensively, as in, does nothing at all. Going forwards his finishing isn't what needs improving, its his decision making, just like Hleb he'd rather run down a blind alley then be FORCED to make a poor pass from a poor position than choose an early better pass when there is a choice. As for his finishing, it also needs improving, again I'll point out the ACN where EVERY single mention of Gervinho is in relation to missing or doing the wrong thing.

It DOES NOT MATTER if he gets good, as I've said elsewhere a 4-5-1/4-3-3 works well for essentially 2-3 teams in the world, you need exceptionally good players who can fit that system. With the way Arsenal set up its crucial that our wingers can offer defensive support, they can't. If Gervinho becomes a better finisher(he won't) then what is important is that he still won't suit the system Wenger INSISTS on. Neither does Walcott, why does our defence look a shambles against good teams, because our SYSTEM doesn't work, the types of players we have don't work. the entire set up simply does not work. 4-3-3 worked best for Chelsea back when they had Duff at his peak and Robben also at his best, with Cole at his best and a very very good first team, since then, not so much, in the one title they've won since they played a LOT of 4-4-2 that season.

Who else plays 4-3-3, Barca, do Messi/Villa help much defensively, no, do they have better defenders, yes, but do they have Iniestia, Xavi and Busquets(and previously yaya and Marquez and others) who are simply the best in the world midfield. Xavi and Iniesta provide LOADS of defensive cover and while Messi rarely tracks back, that's not to ignore the hard work he does closing down and helping to win the ball in the offensive half. Xavi, Busquets, Cesc/Iniesta, you can get away with wingers not helping, lolSong, Ramsey/Arteta, with a dodgy defense as well...... it doesn't work.

Hell this season with Barca's defence not working as well 4-3-3 isn't even working that well for Barca, let alone anyone else.

Theo's only 22 so he will get better...... loads of time left for, what? WHat players get significantly better or, more importantly entirely change their quality after 22, when for 5 years they haven't changed their game at all in any way?

Gervinho could be a good striker, and get loads of goals, he could be useful in a 4-4-2, he is NOT a left winger, he is useless there, for a 4-5-1 he can't do the job required on the left, its as simple as that.

Gervinho's useful contributions, goals/assists, have come against, Blackburn, Wigan Wolves, Sunderland(while they sucked balls), Stoke(3 days after a Europa tie, after which they've looked even more horrific than usual, and stoke away = the suck to start with).

We don't need players who can get a goal or an assist ONLY against the bottom 5-6 teams on form on the day, we need players who firstly, are good enough to compete with the top 4 seeing as we're paying top 4 wages, being able to get a few goals and assists against teams who turn up, and have a bad game even considering how crap that team to start with is the BARE RUDDY MINIMUM a player should offer when paid 60k+ a week.

Why do Arsenal fans not seem to get this, we're paying 110mil in wages, we're trying to buy players capable of winning a league title and a champs league, getting 5 goals and 5 assists against the bottom 6 should as said be the bare minimum, not a positive sign, that should be ON TOP of a useful contribution(performance wise, goals/assists are a bonus) against actually good teams, something Gervinho and Walcott CAN'T provide.
 
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I've admitted before that my turning point has passed now with Wenger. As much as I love the bloke, I won't complain if he's gone, but at the same time, I don't see it happening yet, and I'll support him as long as he's still in charge.

I actually think the FA Cup win over Villa was the closest he's ever come to saving his job. Lose that, and there would have been one hell of a cloud over his head.

I still want him gone. So your point is mute
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EDIT: DM, on-topic. Keep posting essays about Gervinho and this is getting locked.
 
Nope, completely wrong, again, Gervinho is horrifically poor defensively, as in, does nothing at all. Going forwards his finishing isn't what needs improving, its his decision making, just like Hleb he'd rather run down a blind alley then be FORCED to make a poor pass from a poor position than choose an early better pass when there is a choice. As for his finishing, it also needs improving, again I'll point out the ACN where EVERY single mention of Gervinho is in relation to missing or doing the wrong thing.
 
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