realise its only his first season in the prem, and its with swansea , but with the style of play hes showing, if wenger was sacked would brendan rodgers be seen as a suitable replacement or would arsenal fans want a top name ?
Is it time to sack Wenger?
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Not really got anything to say about the rest of your rant but this I strongly disagree with, the reason that Walcott doesn't look outstanding at Arsenal isn't becuase he's rubish it's because Wenger is and always has played him out of poisition. He's not a winger, he can't crossing and his pace and control work best running in a straight line so he can't cut inside from wide. Play him through the middle where he played as a youth player and before joining Arsenal and you'll see what he's really capable of. His straight line speed terrifies defenders and if he's playing through the middle he's heading straight at goal where his decent finishing ability will really pay off.
That alone for me is enough of a reason to sack Wenger he's ruining one of the brightest prospects in the English game. He's finally got in Oxlade-Chamberlin the player he thought he was getting when he got Walcott a pacey winger!
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The problem being he's actually pretty terrible in one on ones, and "control" is not something I would attribute to a player who is only good running in a straight line 
I've actually said for 5 years, give Walcott a chance as a striker, Wenger is wasting him(potentially). he is not a winger, this isn't new, I've said the exact thing dozens of times for years, at this point though I'm done with him. It's not just the fact he's played out of position, he plays half decent against a team that doesn't turn up and in the press the next day he'll be giving out interviews about winning titles, about how the team deserved a big win and we can do it against anyone.
Just random generic, "I've won so I'm the best and I don't have to try anymore" then he'll not bother trying hard in the next game against a half decent team and be crap once more.
His attitude is wrong, he's lazy on the pitch, and he does get plenty of chances to run in behind down the middle and he frequently, more frequently than anyone else, screws up. In the past month he's missed 4 or 5 chances in the same position, running through on goal, no one near, shoots wide.
He's not a winger, at all, if Wenger won't play him upfront well, both Walcott is useless, the team is worse with him there and Wenger is hurting the team.
I've actually said for 5 years, give Walcott a chance as a striker, Wenger is wasting him(potentially). he is not a winger, this isn't new, I've said the exact thing dozens of times for years, at this point though I'm done with him. It's not just the fact he's played out of position, he plays half decent against a team that doesn't turn up and in the press the next day he'll be giving out interviews about winning titles, about how the team deserved a big win and we can do it against anyone.
Just random generic, "I've won so I'm the best and I don't have to try anymore" then he'll not bother trying hard in the next game against a half decent team and be crap once more.
His attitude is wrong, he's lazy on the pitch, and he does get plenty of chances to run in behind down the middle and he frequently, more frequently than anyone else, screws up. In the past month he's missed 4 or 5 chances in the same position, running through on goal, no one near, shoots wide.
He's not a winger, at all, if Wenger won't play him upfront well, both Walcott is useless, the team is worse with him there and Wenger is hurting the team.
The problem being he's actually pretty terrible in one on ones, and "control" is not something I would attribute to a player who is only good running in a straight line
I've actually said for 5 years, give Walcott a chance as a striker, Wenger is wasting him(potentially). he is not a winger, this isn't new, I've said the exact thing dozens of times for years, at this point though I'm done with him. It's not just the fact he's played out of position, he plays half decent against a team that doesn't turn up and in the press the next day he'll be giving out interviews about winning titles, about how the team deserved a big win and we can do it against anyone.
Just random generic, "I've won so I'm the best and I don't have to try anymore" then he'll not bother trying hard in the next game against a half decent team and be crap once more.
His attitude is wrong, he's lazy on the pitch, and he does get plenty of chances to run in behind down the middle and he frequently, more frequently than anyone else, screws up. In the past month he's missed 4 or 5 chances in the same position, running through on goal, no one near, shoots wide.
He's not a winger, at all, if Wenger won't play him upfront well, both Walcott is useless, the team is worse with him there and Wenger is hurting the team.
I'd take him back in a heart beat his first touch pace and commitment were incredible when he made his debut as a 16 year old. Having watched Him, Bale and the Ox I'd say given the correct oppertunities and management he is easily as good as either of them. Hell what a team we would have had if they'd all stayed around!
I don't think Walcott would even be that great as a striker, his main attribute is speed which means he would be able to run on to a few throughballs, at which point his lack of composure will let him down. The main argument as I see it for putting Walcott through the middle seems to be because he can't pick out a good cross, which is a reason for not playing him out wide, rather than a reason for playing him as a striker.
Keeping things on topic I think this summer will be the closest Wenger has ever come to leaving, if Arsenal don't make the CL for next season I can see him going, after Euro2012 there will doubtless be plenty of jobs to choose from (potentially Real Madrid, maybe Chelsea, a few international sides etc etc).
I think even looking at the Arsenal squad from the ideological view Wenger seemingly has about moulding a squad of young players, indoctrinating them in his style and seeing them develop, he must be getting worried. Losing Nasri, Fabregas and Clichy as they approached their peak clearly hurt him a lot, and effectively everything he worked for has been for nothing. His project over the past 6 years or so hasn't really come to anything - the only player who has realised their potential yet remained at the club is Van Persie. In hindsight, I wonder if he wishes he had slowly brought new players through (similar to the way Fergie has traditionally refreshed his squad) rather than a wholesale demolition of the Invincibles.
Keeping things on topic I think this summer will be the closest Wenger has ever come to leaving, if Arsenal don't make the CL for next season I can see him going, after Euro2012 there will doubtless be plenty of jobs to choose from (potentially Real Madrid, maybe Chelsea, a few international sides etc etc).
I think even looking at the Arsenal squad from the ideological view Wenger seemingly has about moulding a squad of young players, indoctrinating them in his style and seeing them develop, he must be getting worried. Losing Nasri, Fabregas and Clichy as they approached their peak clearly hurt him a lot, and effectively everything he worked for has been for nothing. His project over the past 6 years or so hasn't really come to anything - the only player who has realised their potential yet remained at the club is Van Persie. In hindsight, I wonder if he wishes he had slowly brought new players through (similar to the way Fergie has traditionally refreshed his squad) rather than a wholesale demolition of the Invincibles.
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The Invincibles diddnt just up and left arsenal. it took 5+ years later for the whole invinsibles to move on mate.
Wenger slowly build teh team but he bought the wrong players. denilson, diaby etc. All rubbish.
Wenger slowly build teh team but he bought the wrong players. denilson, diaby etc. All rubbish.
The point is that 5 years is an incredibly short space of time the entire team to move on, I've literally NEVER seen a title winning side in this country broken up so quickly, in fact ignoring clubs that had major issues (finances/relegation) like Leeds I don't think I've seen it happen to any top flight team full stop! Of the medal winners Clichy stayed 7 years but he wasn't first choice in 2004.
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Financing a new stadium was a major issue though. None of the other top teams have built a huge stadium and moved sticks since I've been a fan, and I get the impression Wenger gambled on skipping a generation of player (the established, mid 20's kind) and trying to keep the team around the top 4 with kids on a budget and build them into a mature starting XI in order to not have that debt hanging over our heads forever.
Obviously wages have crept back up over the last few years and his plan, if it was that has failed because they keep getting sold/heads turned by all these new hyper rich clubs, but stadium debt has equally been paid off pretty quickly - £390m is quite a lot at well!
Another problem is the 15 year deal they signed with Emirates, which at the time looked good but looks pants compared to some of the deals other clubs are getting, although this isn't Wenger's fault.
Obviously wages have crept back up over the last few years and his plan, if it was that has failed because they keep getting sold/heads turned by all these new hyper rich clubs, but stadium debt has equally been paid off pretty quickly - £390m is quite a lot at well!
Another problem is the 15 year deal they signed with Emirates, which at the time looked good but looks pants compared to some of the deals other clubs are getting, although this isn't Wenger's fault.
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None of that makse sense nor is relevant, the wages didn't creep up in the last few years, they went up the whole time.
Likewise it doesn't matter if you don't buy established players or not, firstly, he has done throughout that whole time, secondly, we can pay Walcott 60k a week, or bring in a kid for much less, and if he's good we end up paying him 60k a week, or we get rid of that 15k a week kid and get a new kid in, repeat/rinse till you get someone good. The problem is, we didn't ever, in any way HAVE to give Walcott or Diaby 60k a week, when they were clearly not working we could have sold or let them leave while on 20k a week, and brought in other players with the spare money.
We didn't the fundamental problem is NOT lack of money its that Wenger actively believes Song/Diaby/Walcott are players to hang on to because they are good enough...... the fact is those players aren't remotely close to good enough.
Stadium is well, self financing to a degree and people keep missing this. At highbury for example say our profit is 15mil a year, new stadium debt requires 30mil a year to pay off(interest and debt) but the new stadium was making 60mil a year more profit. AFTER debt repayment, we were making larger profits than we ever were at Highbury. There has always been MORE money available at every single stage since the move, higher income, higher profits, the only reason profits are relatively lower now is wages are so high, that is irrelevant.
At highbury if we had 115mil wage bill, we'd be losing 50mil a year, at the Emirates we're still making a slim profit but spending 50mil more a year in wages.
Financially we've had more spending power in wages and transfer by basically 50mil every single year. Wenger has decided to spend the vast majority of it in wages, on crap players..... his own choice. Simple fact is there are literally dozens of better players in the prem league...... on lower wages than Walcott. There is one financial problem at Arsenal and that is playing **** players lots of money.
Fergie has taken a loss on Obertan(I think), and Diouff, and probably Bebe in the future, etc, etc. If a player is crap, get rid. Flamini would have easily stayed had we tied him to a 40k a week contract the year before he left, instead we saved his 20-25k a week..... and gave Diaby a raise to around 60k. Wenger put his faith in the wrong players, nothing more, nothing less, his ability to judge players has basically completely left him. Gervinho, Mertesacker...... a player no other big team went near, for a reason and we gave him more than we offered to Gallas, our captain, who was a MUCH better player and still is.
Likewise it doesn't matter if you don't buy established players or not, firstly, he has done throughout that whole time, secondly, we can pay Walcott 60k a week, or bring in a kid for much less, and if he's good we end up paying him 60k a week, or we get rid of that 15k a week kid and get a new kid in, repeat/rinse till you get someone good. The problem is, we didn't ever, in any way HAVE to give Walcott or Diaby 60k a week, when they were clearly not working we could have sold or let them leave while on 20k a week, and brought in other players with the spare money.
We didn't the fundamental problem is NOT lack of money its that Wenger actively believes Song/Diaby/Walcott are players to hang on to because they are good enough...... the fact is those players aren't remotely close to good enough.
Stadium is well, self financing to a degree and people keep missing this. At highbury for example say our profit is 15mil a year, new stadium debt requires 30mil a year to pay off(interest and debt) but the new stadium was making 60mil a year more profit. AFTER debt repayment, we were making larger profits than we ever were at Highbury. There has always been MORE money available at every single stage since the move, higher income, higher profits, the only reason profits are relatively lower now is wages are so high, that is irrelevant.
At highbury if we had 115mil wage bill, we'd be losing 50mil a year, at the Emirates we're still making a slim profit but spending 50mil more a year in wages.
Financially we've had more spending power in wages and transfer by basically 50mil every single year. Wenger has decided to spend the vast majority of it in wages, on crap players..... his own choice. Simple fact is there are literally dozens of better players in the prem league...... on lower wages than Walcott. There is one financial problem at Arsenal and that is playing **** players lots of money.
Fergie has taken a loss on Obertan(I think), and Diouff, and probably Bebe in the future, etc, etc. If a player is crap, get rid. Flamini would have easily stayed had we tied him to a 40k a week contract the year before he left, instead we saved his 20-25k a week..... and gave Diaby a raise to around 60k. Wenger put his faith in the wrong players, nothing more, nothing less, his ability to judge players has basically completely left him. Gervinho, Mertesacker...... a player no other big team went near, for a reason and we gave him more than we offered to Gallas, our captain, who was a MUCH better player and still is.
He didn't have a problem with composure when he was 16 or when he banged in a hat trick for England! I just wish Wenger would try him through the middle and for me that is another of the frustrations with Wenger which seems to have got worse with time he is very mch his own man and almost completely unwilling to admit when he's got something wrong which sees him persist with things that obviously are not working like Walcott on the wing or Arshavin in general this season or buying 'promising' defenders.
I think as others have said this summer will be particularly difficult for him especially if they are not in the champions league. the board have consistently stated money is available and I don't think the likes of Van Persie will hang around unless they see some investment in quality and Arsenal cannot afford to loose to much more quality or they will be also rans.
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And u lot wonder why wenger has to go?
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Who in here says "he still got it" whenever we win? not me, not DM. you are dellusional mate. Quote me one post here saying from someone who first said wenger should go and then he shouldnt go? come on just one post from a person here
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I'm coming around to the idea now too. It's not a knee jerk reaction and it's not about the results, the performances are what make me think he needs to leave. We look absolutely spineless, we can't defend for toffee and the squad is a mess.
Probably Wengers biggest ever transfer window coming up this summer, I can't see him leaving just yet but if he fails to address Arsenals problems this summer it's quite concievable that he won't be there this time next year
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I can actually see him going to Real at the end of this season. Jose is leaving and Real have said they would like Wenger so would not be suprised at all.
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And Jose going to arsenal?
No chance, wont have the cheque book he likes for a start. Doesnt exactly play the pretty 'tiki taki' football you lot care about either does he?
Don't Arsenal just need a manager to get them into the CL every year anyway? thats all the board and fans want isn't it? A couple in the office I work in dont care about winning anything, its all about the CL qualification year on year.
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what fans think that? only the board thinks that. Us fans dont. Why do u think many of us want wenger out? And Last i heard, Chelsea under Jose, Inter under Jose and RM under Jose played GOOD football
In the great scheme of things I really dont think you represent the majority tbh
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