Is it time to sack Wenger?

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K1LLSW1TCH said:
Those teams obviously both have tremendous strength in depth though, the point still stands if you look at the majority of teams their attack has a line leader. My issue is that Wenger expects a player as injury prone as van Persie to be fit and firing 100% of the time, it's ridiculous.
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I agree that most teams have 1 star player, but even then they have quality around that star player who can score when he doesn't turn up.

Arsenal don't really have that.

Chamberlain looks to be one of the best signings your club has made in years.

Gervinho - the jury is still out on him

Arteta - not good enough

Walcott - can play amazing in one game then be total dross for the next 10

Chamakh - doesn't get a game

the list goes on, if Messi or Ronaldo got injured other player's would put in the extra work needed, sure they wouldn't be as good but still good enough to beat anyone.

Arsenal though without VP would struggle against the likes of Bolton.

Milan last night played with flair in the final 1/3rd, i mean some of the stuff Ibra, Robhino, Boateng, Emanuelson and even Seedorf (for the 5 minutes he played) where doing is the reason we all watch football for.

Only 3 players in the Arsenal team had any flair last night, and 2 of them didnt start the game; RVP, Henry, Chamberlain.

You guys need someone who can provide magic when RVP can't, other teams have those players.

Chelsea - Mata, Ramires, Lampard, etc.
MU - Valencia, Young, Nani, etc.
City - Silva, Nasri, Toure, Johnson, etc
Liverpool - Gerrard, Adam, Bellamy, etc.

Arsenal seriously need to start spending big to get all the quality they have lost.

Seriously I could have played better than what Rosicky did last night.
 
Tom84 said:
I think most fans recognise the good Wenger has done for the club over the years and realise what the future could be if he's not there anymore

Given the money available to City and Chelsea and the fact that we're not going anywhere any time soon I think it's unrealistic to expect Arsenal to be challenging. As the PL stands Champions League qualification ahead of the likes of Liverpool, Spurs & Chelsea is a massive achievement and given the right investment in the summer Wenger could have you challenging for the title when in truth you probably shouldn't be.
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Arsenal aren't a few players away from challenging for the title, and achieving champions league qualification ahead of Liverpool Spurs and Chelsea isn't a massive achievement, firstly we haven't done it ahead of Chelsea, secondly, Spurs are going to beat us this season, then the simple fact is we outspend Spurs and Chelsea, we bring in far more money than all 3 of those clubs, Chelsea are a bad example of a horribly mismanaged club, overspending on transfers and wages on players who aren't remotely close to the value paid.

Then the last problem, Wenger has worsened us every year via his transfers for years on end, he is losing the "right" players every year and buying exactly the wrong players every single year. The exact reason Arsenal are getting worse IS Wenger's transfers and buying completely the wrong players.

So the question is, why trust him in yet another transfer window?

Did he see the light finally? Well he gave Djourou a new contract(likely improved) tieing another woeful player to the club till 2015, guessing he's on around at least 40k a week at this point, that is 6 million we just pee'd away on a player who........ lol had to laugh last night when the commentator called him a "real athlete" when he came on, ignoring the fact that, well that is just what stupid old white people call anyone who is both black and in sports, he's clumsy, slow as crap, weak for his size, terrible at dominating the area, clumsy and slow..... athlete, not even close.

You can understand and get frustrated by a truly great reader of the game who "gets" football, but is slow, short, weak and not an athlete, you can ALMOST understand someone with no football brain who is a pure athlete, speed, strength........ WORK ETHIC(the one thing utterly lacking from Walcott, laziest "fast" player in the league). A guy who is both awful at football and slow and clumsy, Djourou, Mertesacker, Squillaci....... Song.

Wenger WILL not buy the right players, yes, we might fluke on some genius youngster, or just get lucky and get a truly great youngster who thinks he'll do better at Arsenal than anywhere else. Given the chance for Wenger to buy 10 players, he'll get 5 completely wrong, 2 half decent players who he randomly decides to play out of position for 3 years, playing crap before getting rid of them, and 2 sick notes and he'll get one right, out of pure luck and that player will be great.

But he'll also sell the 5 existing best players in the squad at the same time, seriously damaging the overall quality of the squad while also raising our wage bill further on worse players. :(
 
Yea and that great player will leave vor a bigger club. Next year summer 2013, Wilshere will be the next one to leave, this summer its rvp, next sume it will be wilshere and maybe even Ox
 
I think RVP really will be off this summer unless we get a new manager in, I can see him wanting to stick it out one more season if a new guy comes in and shakes up the team. IE if Wenger goes and we get a hiddink or, a really good manager in I think a few of the guys will want to see exactly what happens.

I think Cesc would have done the same if Wenger was fired, give a new guy a little time to change things and see if the team improved drastically.

If Wenger stays I think RVP and anyone else knows exactly what's coming and will move to whoever the best offer comes from(in terms of title chances).

Thing is Wenger himself has said failure to quality for the CL will be a massive failure, I really don't think we'll get 4th this year so not quite sure how that would play out.

This is the biggest issue, had Wenger gone after a couple bad years me and everyone else would remember him as a legend who left the next manager with a great team to work with. Now, he was crap for as long as he was great, and the team is in horrific shape compared to 7 years ago.

Worst European loss, worst league loss, worst team spending north of 100mil a year in wages in the world(okay chelsea might win that one though we're really competing in different categories for that, Chelsea are in a different division to us in terms of wages wasted :p ), worst run not winning any kind of trophy(fake preseason tourney ones non withstanding) in a long time.

Yes 4th or 5th, 7th isn't horrific in the grand scheme of things but you have to look at Arsenal and where they should be, most expensive tickets in the league, best match day income, huge wages outgoing, huge squad, we're bang on a top 4 team in terms of wages/income, we're the most ripped off fans in the league(world? for football at least) and remember City have only been ahead of us for a very short amount of time, in the previous 5-6 years City weren't competitive we were no better with less competition ahead of us.

I do think Wilshire will stay for a while though, gooner through and through and been here for ages, but while fans don't see it, players can be fans of a club and still walk away, there's work and play, football is a career and if Arsenal continue as they are I wouldn't begrudge Wilshire going somewhere to win titles eventually.
 
Wilshire & Cleverley in the same team :eek: I think I'd ejaculate on the spot if that transfer came off :D
 
LOL Wenger isnt going anywhere FACT...he will not be sacked and i dont think he will go himself...hes far too stubborn as shown by his inability to sort our squad out ie keeping players that arent cutting it. Mind you saying that i dont think the Arsenal board are any better tbh.

I think us getting 4th is going to be a minor miracle, ill be happy for the time being if we do bag 4th but i honestly cant see it as we still Chelsea to play and the Spuds are coming up...both tough games.

Honestly i just dont care anymore where we end up, Wenger made a huge huge mistake not sorting out the defence, which has been utterly rubbish for the past few yrs then coupled with Fabregas and Nasri leaving and getting Arteta, who isnt too bad but is in no way a replacement for Fabregas is beyond the realms of stupidity....Wenger knew Fab and Nasri were going to leave but refused to do anything until it was too late. I suppose having Wilshere injured earlier on the season and him not being able to play, think hes done for the season hasnt helped us either.

Wont be surprised if RVP decides to pack up and leave as well this summer...again Wenger will sit on his arse and do nothing about it.
 
Shamikebab said:
Thing is could you play a 4-4-2 with just them two in the middle or would you need a 3rd player better at winning the ball back?
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Wilshire is as excellent defensively, both in positioning, tackling and reading passes and tracking opposition runs as he is going forward.

Last year he played as the DM in the vast majority of games and barely got forwards as he was actually doing his job unlike Song who when he is DM(rarely in the past 2-3 seasons) randomly ran off into attack whenever he felt like it, and even when he stayed back can't tackle, horrible reading, doesn't track runs.

When Wilshire was with England he was playing a far far more attacking role with Lampard and Parker playing in the covering DM position and Wilshire looked great going forwards but added defensive cover in midfield, and pace, and bite that Barry is incapable of.

The only thing you'd lack with Cleverley and Wilshire is real height, but you've got defensive and offensive covered, with Wilshire more than capable of getting forward and Cleverley from what I've seen looks like he reads the game very well, which generally means(a la Scholes, Xavi, Cesc, Wilshire) that they won't have a trouble helping out defensively.


Moot point anyway, Wilshire wouldn't go to Utd. Even if Arsenal are 10th we wouldn't sell our best player to Utd and Wilshire would likely not choose Utd, if/when he leaves he could probably go anywhere.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Moot point anyway, Wilshire wouldn't go to Utd. Even if Arsenal are 10th we wouldn't sell our best player to Utd and Wilshire would likely not choose Utd, if/when he leaves he could probably go anywhere.
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You say that but Nasri could have quite easily have gone to United if they had stumped up the cash, and he was one of your best (and in form) players at the time.

To be honest I just don't think Arsenal has the clout to hold onto any player these days, and the trophies/career drive are often more important to players than club loyalty. I don't know if that last part is a good thing or a bad thing though.
 
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grimm said:
You say that but Nasri could have quite easily have gone to United if they had stumped up the cash, and he was one of your best (and in form) players at the time.

To be honest I just don't think Arsenal has the clout to hold onto any player these days, and the trophies/career drive are often more important to players than club loyalty. I don't know if that last part is a good thing or a bad thing though.
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He wasn't, he was never an Arsenal fan, he didn't grow up with Arsenal, none of which is true for Wilshire. Cesc wanted to go back to Barca for the same reason.

Seriously though, best player, lol, he was pretty crap last season, just over rated in the same way so many players are randomly beloved for a season for little to no reason. Got a few goals, no assists, barely got involved in any of the games, lazy, arrogant. 10-11 goals as our second most attacking player, almost all scored when put through on goal, crap for 85mins in almost every game he played.

I also didn't talk about Wilshire staying, just choosing to not go to Utd if/when he leaves. He's as good now as Cesc was in his 2nd/3rd season. He might stagnate, he might have weak bones that will never take a full training schedule and he might never come back, who knows. The level he was at when he got injured, and his age and ability to get a bit stronger/faster/better, he'll have his pick of clubs. With his pick, would he go to Utd considering at his age he's basically a premier league "baby" and grew up as an Arsenal fan with our only "real" opposition being Utd, I just can't see it.

I mean if I was in his position I'd choose City over Utd, if I couldn't win trophies with Arsenal stopping Utd winning them would be the next best thing :p


Anyway, I came back to the thread to say, if Chelsea players are desperate to get Hiddink back, Arsenal might do well to fire Wenger and get Hiddink in before Chelsea can :p

I can see hiddink having a very very good effect both on Arsenal players, picking the right team, dropping the crap players, instilling confidence in those players who have been crapped on repeatedly at Arsenal(vela, Bendtner, Arshavin, etc) and getting them playing well and probably most importantly...... organising the defence.
 
Hiddink would be a fantastic appointment. For the first time in a long time I'd actually be excited to watch my team play, instead of dreading the outcome of every single match.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I mean if I was in his position I'd choose City over Utd, if I couldn't win trophies with Arsenal stopping Utd winning them would be the next best thing :p
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1stly it depends who the manager is at the time

2ndly (imo) it depends if you want to be fighting for a place amongst the international money grabbers, or be in a british team with a core of very talented english players, with some pretty decent imports covering other positions, in a club with a history of success (after all its a relatively short career)
 
The Telegraph today, well Henry Winter in the sport supplement, rips into the team, reports Wenger savaging the players in training today and there's several pages basically saying half the squad are overpaid and should be gotten rid of ASAP (hi Captain Obvious, where have you been?), and that Wenger has decided to do the summer clear out that we all want. E. Petit says the state of the team is sad compared to when he was there.

Will believe it when I see it thought.
 
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